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and good evening from Philadelphia Frank

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here with a Tuesday edition of UFO news

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network Sunday if it's Tuesday it must

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be UFO news network Sunday so I'm here

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tonight and with me again co-host chit

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Hannah a big event over in Phoenix this

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past weekend an anniversary event

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celebrating the the big Phoenix lights

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case just a bit of news also we're gonna

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be back again tomorrow another big event

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over the weekend in Alabama with the the

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big scientific conference headlined by

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Luis Elizondo and we're gonna have rich

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Hoffman talking about that just to give

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you a heads up on that tomorrow night at

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somewhere around this time so listen and

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then but let's not waste any time let me

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bring in chant Hannah and chant dad tell

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us what we've got on the agenda tonight

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we have a very special show we have a

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special report about the Phoenix lights

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which were spotted over Arizona Nevada

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and the Mexican state of Sonora on March

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13 1997 I had the privilege of attending

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this wonderful movie and that was

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directed by dr. Lynn khatai and it was

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at the Harkins theater on March 17th on

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Sunday I went to the event and the hopes

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to find out more about this special mass

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sighting that was witnessed witnessed by

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hundreds of people in different states

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and also another country I sat next to a

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really wonderful person by the name of

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Joey who helped bring on to the show he

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went there to to also see what this

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movie was about and wanted to also

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mention something really interesting

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this show sold out so fast the capacity

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was 300 people they actually had to open

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up another theater at 1:30 the show was

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at 1:00 so they had simultaneously two

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shows going on at the same time they had

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10 speakers the speakers were dr. Lynn

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khatai dr. Brad Evans a neuro

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psychiatrist and Phoenix Lite witness

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Jim della toe so Fran Arwood

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Councilwoman in Phoenix Arizona Travis

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Walton Brad Evan

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sorry about that I didn't mean to

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mention him again it's Clifford Mahoney

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a Zuni elder Navajo Ranger John Dover

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dr. Duffy McMahon and wanted to ask Joey

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when I had the opportunity to sit down

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and watch the show and we got to talking

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what were the highlights for you when

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you got to see this movie I think God

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just overall it was a shock to everybody

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me being an Arizona native and

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experiencing this event to myself I mean

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it's kind of like you don't know what to

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take you know of it it was definitely

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the talk of the town so yeah I mean if

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you're in Arizona if you were born and

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raised here and and something this

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massive has happened out here

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you're definitely you're definitely like

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well aware of it I mean kind of like a

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modern Roswell if you ask me I know that

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throughout our talks as we sat there off

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you know just off and on throughout the

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show you mentioned that you had seen

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Travis Walton in his son before and also

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many of the other speakers can you share

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a little bit about that yeah so I I met

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Travis Walton at the UFL Congress and I

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was uh yeah I was taking I was taking

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pictures there Alejandro Rojas said it

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had set me up with a media past and I I

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got a little story behind that too I

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wouldn't actually be affiliated with any

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of this UFO I want to say scene if it

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wasn't for Alejandro so he kind of got

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me out of the dark period of my life and

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gave me a chance an opportunity to come

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and you know shoot and do media for this

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event and I never I never thought that I

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would be around such like brilliant

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minds or just be and one roof was with

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people that I would absolutely like have

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no intention of talking to or meeting in

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your everyday you know norm

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so yeah so back to Travis Walton growing

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up I mean I've seen the seen the movie

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firing this guy and I think I was like

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maybe I want to say about ten and that

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was probably one of the most scariest

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movies I've ever seen

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I like I absolutely feared UFOs after

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watching that at feared aliens I had you

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know family members that have said

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things about having I don't know

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walkthroughs or something in the middle

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of the night and I've always been scared

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with with that growing up but yeah it's

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something that you uh you kind of like

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you grow up with that movie and sure

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enough you meet Travis Walton the actual

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you know person from the movie and it's

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it's like a total shock you know it's

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like I didn't think I was going to be

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actually talking to this guy you know

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it's the real deal yeah it was really

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neat seeing him there yeah so the

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Phoenix lights which was directed by dr.

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Lynn khatai and the executive producer

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was Steve Lance dr. kute I made a point

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of sharing with people Sarika tie that

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the mass sighting was viewed by hundreds

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of people she believes in a very

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positive manner she's never heard

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anything negative about it and I myself

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heard testimony from dozens of people

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there who were saying that they felt

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they had nothing but positivity to share

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about that event how do you feel about

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good I mean it I guess it goes both ways

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it all depends on how you act I mean

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obviously when I got older and this is

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like taking in a ten-year-old you know

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mind watching this movie for the first

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time I mean obviously you're going to be

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scared of aliens but as you you know you

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grow up

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you're like oh okay Hollywood movie oh

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that's great

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so I mean yeah I mean that's I don't

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know if that's like the reason why I'm

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so fascinated with this whole scene or

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why I click with it so much but yeah I

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mean it's like like you said positive or

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not I think it all depends on how you

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reacted to the you know movie at a

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certain time your life yeah and I'd like

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to actually just mention to folks a

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little bit about Alejandro Rojas because

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you brought him up and he's a really

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important person in the domain of UF

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ology Alejandro Rojas is a radio host

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for open minds radio he's an editor and

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contributing writer for open minds

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magazine and also open minds TV and he

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was also the official director of public

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education and as a UFO paranormal

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researcher and journalist he spent many

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hours in the field investigating the

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phenomena moving on we have a really

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wonderful person I had the privilege of

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interviewing just recently his name is

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Shane heard he is a member of the

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Phoenix MUFON Phoenix Arizona MUFON team

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as a field investigator Shane I wanted

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to ask you if you could speak a little

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bit about the sellout crowd that

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occurred during this 22nd anniversary

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showing which was the 14th year that

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Harkins was showing this movie could you

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please touch on the sellout crowd and

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why the case remains so relevant today

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and then lastly how impactful the

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absolutely it was a great event I was I

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was so surprised at the size of the

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crowd and the fact that they had to get

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that second theater but all of that just

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speaks to how the case is in fact still

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relevant this many years later and I

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think the reason is is because you know

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it's such an important case in fact it's

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probably one of the strongest cases in

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modern history and I can't help

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but think kind of from an investigative

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standpoint about that case and the

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things that make it so strong and of

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course what stands out to me the most is

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the the fact that it was a mass sighting

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and the number of people that reported

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it and what's really outstanding is how

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there was I believe a couple thousand

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reports made and if you take the average

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that you know one out of ten people

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actually make a report of assigning

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they're thinking that maybe 10 to 20,000

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people actually saw these things that

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night and I think the fact that all

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these people are unrelated

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they are unrelated geographically and

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dispersed over cost you know a couple

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states including parts of Mexico

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it just it gives the eyewitness

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testimony such strength you know

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thousands of points of view and then

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yeah I would have to say it's likely one

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of the most reported cases in history

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now many people reported to the national

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UFO Reporting Center run by Peter

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Davenport many reports were made to

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MUFON the mutual UFO network and then of

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course local news national news

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television print web the military the

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City of Phoenix their 911 call center

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was you know overrun with calls so it

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really gives some strong evidence from

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that point of view

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Shane real quick what were you doing

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back there were you living in the

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Phoenix area at that point yeah I

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actually was in fact I remember that

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exact night I did not see anything but

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we were having dinner at a friend's

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house who got a telescope and we were

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gonna look at the hell about comet so we

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were out there doing that but we're in

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the extreme northwest part of Phoenix

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really outside of Phoenix maybe 20 miles

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at the time and you know we just didn't

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see it with hindsight I'm so frustrated

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that I didn't but but really it's the

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thing that tipped me into ufology it

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really sparked my interest not because

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I saw anything but because it was in my

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hometown and you know the coverage in

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the subsequent weeks and months and

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really a couple years was just so

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captivating I I just I had to get into

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it so then the other thing I think that

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was really strong about it was you know

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there was both video and photographic

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evidence in fact dr. Keita herself was

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an eyewitness and got both photos and

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video I'm sure that that will come out a

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little bit later in our discussion but

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that's just another piece of evidence

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that makes it so credible and then

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what's interesting is it's been reported

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that there was not radar evidence of all

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of these craft and these things being

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sighted which you might think oh that

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kind of weakens the case but really a

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doesn't because you have thousands of

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eyewitness reports and what it does if

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there's no radar evidence that really

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eliminates the possibility of something

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conventional and so I think that that's

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how helps make that a strong case and

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then I couldn't help but notice - the

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government responds certainly many

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people remember that news conference by

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five Simon Symington the governor of the

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state of Arizona at the time and he

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brings out you know a person dressed in

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a alien costume and kind of mocked the

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whole thing and again you know if if

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it's a non-issue why are they you know

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going to that trouble to do that and

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then you know the military they

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scrambled jets you know the City of

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Phoenix police kind of pooh-poohed it

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and and denied you know they were

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getting a lot of calls and of course we

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we know the whole flare thing that this

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talked about - so it just seems like a

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whole lot of effort on the part of the

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authorities you know to cover up a

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non-event so I think that makes it real

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you know suspicious as well go ahead no

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no go ahead I wanted to hear what else

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you had to say it's really important

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well I the last thing I would just come

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in and is that ret ridicule factor and

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you know I feel like today it's it's a

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lot less than it used to be you know

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I've kind of come out as it were and she

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demonstrated my intro

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and you know I expected an adverse

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reaction but whether it's my family or

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my co-workers and and other people I

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ended up getting a positive feedback and

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I know that was not the case even 10 20

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years ago and I think this Phoenix

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lights incident really demonstrates the

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power of that ridicule factor and the

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fact that for example Frances EMA

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Barwood who was a city council person at

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the time innocently asked the council if

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we should investigate this and in it

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ultimately led to her dismissal or loss

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of her her council seat and it was just

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based on that ridicule the fact that hey

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this is a subject we don't want to deal

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with we don't want to talk about and if

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you bring it up you're gonna be in

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trouble you know and then of course even

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five Symington he himself I think he his

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position was a little bit different he

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didn't want to cause panic in the state

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nor did he want to give his political

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rivals something to hammer him with but

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ten years later he admits he in fact was

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an eyewitness to one of the crafts as

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well so just shows you how powerful that

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ridicule factors but I think gladly its

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diminishing each and every day and look

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we have a show on the radio right now

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that you can talk about it and and you

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know a lot of people you know really

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appreciate it so I'm glad to see that's

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happening yes you mentioned everything I

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was going to actually ask you about and

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that is that Symington said and I quote

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I'm a pilot and I know just about every

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machine that flies it was bigger than

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anything I've ever seen it remains a

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great mystery other people saw it

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responsible people I don't know why

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people would really ridicule it a

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regarding Frances Barwood of the 1997

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Phoenix City Councilwoman who had the

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courage to start an investigation into

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this mass sighting event she had to

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spent not just copious amounts of time

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but literally probably hundreds of hours

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investigating this event because there

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were seven over 700 witnesses she

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interviewed and the government never

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interviewed one

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how do you feel about that Shane yeah I

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I just it's so disturbing but you know

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thinking about it if if some political

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science student wanted a case study to

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to see how powerful propaganda can be or

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you know how you can influence the

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masses they should look at at you know

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Project Blue Book the the the air force

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the government and ufology in that 1953

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Robertsons panel conclusion how you know

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they need to make this go away by

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ridiculing people you know out of making

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a report or even discussing it and so

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it's just it's a powerful demonstration

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you know of that kind of practice and

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and I would I would put in the category

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of propaganda it's you know it's

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intelligence based and it's um you know

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it's had a powerful hold on society

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since 1947 it has I agree with you and

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thank you for mentioning the element of

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propaganda because and to hide behind

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the denial to have a ridiculous props

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such as an alien walk out onstage to

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have a Councilwoman spend all of her

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time

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well over 700 cases brought to her

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attention 700 people it is absolutely

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unacceptable Frank I wanted to know if

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you wouldn't mind running a few clips so

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some of these clips you'll get the

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opportunity to listen to dr. Keith I and

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dr. bread Brad Evans he's a

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neuropsychiatry who actually witnessed

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the Phoenix lights event okay which one

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do you want me to start with dr. khatai

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or rather yeah yeah the dr. khatai one

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would be great it's this one yep okay

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here comes okay thank you just let me

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know when we can start and hand out so

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you can get every

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because we don't have the technology yet

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she's a bit ugly define what these

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things are it doesn't mean they're not

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real we just might be looking for the

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a.m. dial for an FM frequency so it's

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important that we get this data out in

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the open and address it accept it and

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study it so we can move forward not only

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to find out who's driving these things

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but move forward in our own evolution

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and then as an experiencer I saw these

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things up close and personal

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literally and favorably right outside

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our bedroom window with that acknowledge

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or interest in the topic at all here I'm

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looking at something that seems so out

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of my realm of reality and and I saw

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these things literally cloak

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mechanically as if there was

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intelligence behind it it went somewhere

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when it shrunk like a dimmer switch it's

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very hard to really explain it

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stationary where it was not much but

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they were right in front of us out they

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were right in front of us and they were

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three orbs and a pyramid formation one

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on top and two closing lying underneath

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and my first thought coming from a video

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curriculum background when I wanted to

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get my camera but I don't want to miss

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anything and you you'll hear that over

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and over from people who have had an

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anomalous experience they they don't

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want to move they're in awe and Wonder

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and curious about what's going on as I

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was and I tried to think everything in

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mentally the size shape the color they

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were about three to six feet each they

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were actually oval shaped like an egg on

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its side they were I called him an orb

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because this light did not extend

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outside the edge it was self-contained

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and the light was a uniform and the

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light that's another thing word amber

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just pops in your head they're not

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yellow they're not orange they're there

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amber and you would hear that all over

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the world people are saying they saw

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amber lights they were they were amber

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color and they didn't glare that is the

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dr. Brad Evans was saying I wanted to

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bring you into this discussion

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this is dr. Brad Evans he's an arrow

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psychiatrist and he knows dr. linkage hi

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how did you will happen across paths

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with regards to this common denominator

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that you sure the Phoenix lights our

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family had an experience but the most

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important thing was our memory of it was

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completely delayed no discussion of the

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event during it nothing after it and

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nothing for three months until as always

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there's some TV show about UFOs I'm nada

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didn't do it so I had typical Richard

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Dreyfuss reaction but I think a lot of

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people who are receptive to something

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unusual who want to just now think about

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it talk about and understand it I look

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carefully what effect this thing this

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experience had on us other than me being

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excited about something I couldn't

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analyze it was gone I immediately wrote

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a letter to the director of Buffon and

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said this is what I thought this is what

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I saw this is the formation from this

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time of the night at that time of the

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night here's what it felt like here's

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the effect on the family that was very

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positive even though the others didn't

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talk about it even three months later

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uniformly the feeling was a sense of

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well-being not excited negative it's not

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panicked this was not harmful

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this was excited interesting that dr.

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khatai said she felt the same sense of

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empowerment or one of the reasons i came

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forward not only to set the record

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straight because there was so much bliss

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and disinformation it wasn't just one or

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two events it was many events it was a

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parade throughout the state and Nevada

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and New Mexico and California of not

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only these orders these lights in

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uniform equidistantly plays mile and we

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just learned from the national UFO

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Reporting Center some of them were eight

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miles wide but there were also crafts

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and there were ten different crafts from

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thousands of reports a study twelve year

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study

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reports from the national UFO Reporting

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Center in Seattle Washington from

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Arizona MUFON mutual UFO network from

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village lodge which was the local

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Clearing House here in a computer lab

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that was a clearinghouse here in Phoenix

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from then Councilwoman vice mayor

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Frances Barwood who received over a

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thousand reports two or more people to

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see the same craft actual craft to be in

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this study all was said and done there

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were ten and a very different craft from

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these shapes a triangle shape to Delta

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shaped a boomerang shades even this

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shape and whether it was one craft that

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could morph into looking different or

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the perspective from where the person

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was standing or a parade and that's what

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was colluded after 12 years of

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meticulously studying the data because

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there were many things happening at the

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same time over a dozen hours it's not

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only in our state but other states as

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well so I hope the people look at the

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data Phoenix lights Network website is

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packed with information to explore

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consider not trying to convince anybody

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of anything right I didn't know any of

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this stuff and I was blown away so the

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data speaks for itself

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these were itself but what's so

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interesting about this situation is that

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the word consciousness has been

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connected to it I wanted to actually ask

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both yourself and dr. Evans

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how does consciousness fit into this

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entire category being the Phoenix lights

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what are your thoughts on that just to

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finish that selectfrom doctor there has

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not been one credible report of harm

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threat or abduction associated with the

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Phoenix lights phenomena I can't speak

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for other things but I can't about the

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Phoenix lights and we're talking 22

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years dad of thousands of people coming

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forward and consistently is dr. Evans

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mention myself included the experiencer

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I was I was in wonder I was curious

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many people have told me that they felt

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blessed to have had that experience and

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to this day I am still getting emails

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and messages on Facebook from people

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especially military pilots and military

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who are now retiring her coming forward

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and sharing their savings and it's very

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interesting because you know they

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themselves were curious what was

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happening there was no investigation

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that's the other part of this the story

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of how the story unfolded which is it's

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just fascinating in and of itself that

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there was no investigation no

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explanation for months until a

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front-page USA Today article on July the

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8th oh I'm sorry

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June 18 it's really interesting how the

545
00:28:28,780 --> 00:28:27,230
story unfolded in such an amazing way in

546
00:28:31,780 --> 00:28:28,790
and of itself because there was no

547
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:31,790
investigation no explanation for months

548
00:28:35,740 --> 00:28:33,170
it was uncanny because we're talking

549
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:35,750
about rooftop level people said they

550
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:37,850
could have thrown a rock at these craft

551
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:40,610
or these objects these lights it

552
00:28:44,260 --> 00:28:42,770
actually blocked out the stars in

553
00:28:47,080 --> 00:28:44,270
between the lights whether there was a

554
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:47,090
force field or whatever right it was

555
00:28:49,970 --> 00:28:48,890
that close I mean we have a pilot in the

556
00:28:52,129 --> 00:28:49,980
documentary

557
00:28:54,830 --> 00:28:52,139
under what he would call a well or a

558
00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:54,840
canister of light it's not reflect

559
00:28:59,629 --> 00:28:56,610
outside these lights were very unusual

560
00:29:02,690 --> 00:28:59,639
just like they were cut outside of the

561
00:29:06,980 --> 00:29:02,700
edge very unusual and you know when you

562
00:29:09,379 --> 00:29:06,990
start hearing the first-hand reports of

563
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:09,389
the technology alone some people saw

564
00:29:15,259 --> 00:29:12,090
these craft remind you one to eight mile

565
00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:15,269
wide takeoff at flank speed without even

566
00:29:20,480 --> 00:29:17,970
dispersing the air totally sorry that

567
00:29:22,789 --> 00:29:20,490
was also very eerie too many people and

568
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:22,799
some people saw these orbs detached from

569
00:29:25,759 --> 00:29:24,090
the may not become a time for the

570
00:29:28,250 --> 00:29:25,769
environment and then redock with it

571
00:29:31,100 --> 00:29:28,260
we've had reports of one craft it's

572
00:29:33,259 --> 00:29:31,110
split in two and then shot straight up

573
00:29:36,860 --> 00:29:33,269
we also have reports from an alleged

574
00:29:38,570 --> 00:29:36,870
crewman Luke Air Force Base at 3:00 a.m.

575
00:29:40,340 --> 00:29:38,580
the next morning and we have the

576
00:29:41,629 --> 00:29:40,350
recording part of the recording in the

577
00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:41,639
documentaries of people can hear

578
00:29:46,570 --> 00:29:43,919
firsthand how professional this report

579
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:46,580
was to the national UFO Reporting Center

580
00:29:52,970 --> 00:29:50,250
saying that the military from Luke sent

581
00:29:54,919 --> 00:29:52,980
aircraft out to intercept and get gun

582
00:29:57,950 --> 00:29:54,929
camera film what you heard they did and

583
00:30:00,710 --> 00:29:57,960
as they got closer this was right over

584
00:30:03,590 --> 00:30:00,720
central Phoenix one of these wild wide

585
00:30:05,240 --> 00:30:03,600
crafts the light started to dim and then

586
00:30:07,220 --> 00:30:05,250
the entire thing blinked out and

587
00:30:08,779 --> 00:30:07,230
disappeared and he said he hoped one of

588
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:08,789
the pilots out of their craft he was so

589
00:30:12,950 --> 00:30:11,039
shaken up by it you can imagine and then

590
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:12,960
Luke was on lockdown so all this is

591
00:30:18,590 --> 00:30:15,210
happening and then no investigation no

592
00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:18,600
explanation until June 18th a months

593
00:30:24,629 --> 00:30:22,330
later front-page USA Today article

594
00:30:27,089 --> 00:30:24,639
don't ask me why don't ask me why then

595
00:30:29,639 --> 00:30:27,099
but here was the first time that people

596
00:30:31,619 --> 00:30:29,649
outside of our zone we're hearing about

597
00:30:33,659 --> 00:30:31,629
the Phoenix lights and we didn't have

598
00:30:36,629 --> 00:30:33,669
social media at the time we were deluge

599
00:30:38,279 --> 00:30:36,639
overnight by media from all over the

600
00:30:40,049 --> 00:30:38,289
world and they too we're asking because

601
00:30:43,320 --> 00:30:40,059
once they talked to the witnesses just

602
00:30:45,479 --> 00:30:43,330
like dr. Evans described there their

603
00:30:46,379 --> 00:30:45,489
reports were so detailed and so

604
00:30:48,029 --> 00:30:46,389
heartfelt

605
00:30:49,379 --> 00:30:48,039
thes a tour asking why isn't there an

606
00:30:51,810 --> 00:30:49,389
investigation why isn't there an

607
00:30:54,419 --> 00:30:51,820
explanation interestingly the very next

608
00:30:56,879 --> 00:30:54,429
day after nothing for months our former

609
00:30:58,889 --> 00:30:56,889
governor Simonson a press conference and

610
00:31:00,810 --> 00:30:58,899
an unscheduled press conference to

611
00:31:03,060 --> 00:31:00,820
reveal the culprit of the lights over

612
00:31:04,469 --> 00:31:03,070
Phoenix and people took it seriously and

613
00:31:06,659 --> 00:31:04,479
here he comes marching out one of the

614
00:31:07,949 --> 00:31:06,669
days with the giant alien had costume

615
00:31:09,959 --> 00:31:07,959
and made a mockery of it which is very

616
00:31:12,269 --> 00:31:09,969
disconcerting us particularly for

617
00:31:14,999 --> 00:31:12,279
parents with their children and here

618
00:31:18,930 --> 00:31:15,009
they're seeing this thing that looks 2

619
00:31:20,459 --> 00:31:18,940
in 3 miles wide malls wide right and and

620
00:31:21,659 --> 00:31:20,469
yet he's making a joke out of it without

621
00:31:24,119 --> 00:31:21,669
kind of put a lid on it

622
00:31:25,769 --> 00:31:24,129
yes and and I called every military base

623
00:31:27,690 --> 00:31:25,779
so I had to get to the bottom of it that

624
00:31:29,489 --> 00:31:27,700
it was a mission to find out what they

625
00:31:31,349 --> 00:31:29,499
knew right and they were more interested

626
00:31:33,859 --> 00:31:31,359
in seeing my dad and I had thirty

627
00:31:36,389 --> 00:31:33,869
five-millimeter data not only from 95

628
00:31:39,749 --> 00:31:36,399
but two months before the mass sighting

629
00:31:42,449 --> 00:31:39,759
of the same exact phenomenon in the same

630
00:31:44,249 --> 00:31:42,459
exact location over class the restricted

631
00:31:46,649 --> 00:31:44,259
airspace as air traffic trawlers would

632
00:31:49,300 --> 00:31:46,659
tell me the next morning both in January

633
00:31:51,310 --> 00:31:49,310
and the morning after the mass site

634
00:31:53,530 --> 00:31:51,320
about a thousand see attitude that they

635
00:31:54,820 --> 00:31:53,540
couldn't explain and they were more

636
00:31:56,290 --> 00:31:54,830
interested in seeing I didn't tell them

637
00:31:58,840 --> 00:31:56,300
what I had but they were more interested

638
00:32:00,730 --> 00:31:58,850
in seeing what I had and I didn't want

639
00:32:02,860 --> 00:32:00,740
to meet with anybody and they were like

640
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:02,870
covers joking about oh who ever knows it

641
00:32:05,950 --> 00:32:04,130
says God who ever did it

642
00:32:09,040 --> 00:32:05,960
I mean they were just curious and here I

643
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:09,050
get a call a month later from one of the

644
00:32:12,550 --> 00:32:10,970
heads for PR from the Air National Guard

645
00:32:14,110 --> 00:32:12,560
and she is Oh dr. Lynn I think we know

646
00:32:16,060 --> 00:32:14,120
what those lights were back in March and

647
00:32:17,890 --> 00:32:16,070
I was thrilled because I was looking for

648
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:17,900
any logical explanation I'm a healthy

649
00:32:22,990 --> 00:32:20,480
skeptic one must be when you're the open

650
00:32:25,420 --> 00:32:23,000
when you're a physician and I saw up

651
00:32:26,650 --> 00:32:25,430
close and personal as well but I was

652
00:32:29,740 --> 00:32:26,660
thrilled that they had an explanation

653
00:32:31,900 --> 00:32:29,750
she said do you believe that in almost

654
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:31,910
five months nobody ever looked at the

655
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:34,130
log for visiting Air National Guard and

656
00:32:38,350 --> 00:32:35,810
the Maryland Air National Guard was in

657
00:32:41,470 --> 00:32:38,360
town sending off flares in operation

658
00:32:44,110 --> 00:32:41,480
Snowbird which means in military terms

659
00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:44,120
diversionary tactical maneuvers which

660
00:32:48,910 --> 00:32:46,910
you know now in retrospect they may have

661
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:48,920
sent off flares but there hasn't been

662
00:32:53,740 --> 00:32:51,170
one witness to the true unknowns that

663
00:32:54,790 --> 00:32:53,750
describes what flares do which am I said

664
00:32:56,620 --> 00:32:54,800
to her we'll wait a minute

665
00:32:58,570 --> 00:32:56,630
when was the Maryland Air National Guard

666
00:33:00,190 --> 00:32:58,580
in town she says March 1st to the 15th I

667
00:33:02,380 --> 00:33:00,200
said were they in town in January she

668
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:02,390
said oh no I said are you sure she says

669
00:33:08,500 --> 00:33:06,290
absolutely not I said well I have thirty

670
00:33:10,540 --> 00:33:08,510
five-millimeter photographs and my

671
00:33:14,020 --> 00:33:10,550
husband saw them too that's the same

672
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:14,030
exact phenomena in the same location two

673
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:15,200
months before the mass sighting

674
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:16,490
confirmed the next morning by air

675
00:33:19,990 --> 00:33:18,410
traffic controllers as it doesn't fit

676
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:20,000
attitude over Class B restricted

677
00:33:25,060 --> 00:33:22,010
airspace and she says

678
00:33:27,220 --> 00:33:25,070
you never told me that and then I said

679
00:33:29,230 --> 00:33:27,230
it tried to tell me that flares the

680
00:33:31,389 --> 00:33:29,240
military illumination of flares which

681
00:33:34,210 --> 00:33:31,399
she said the drift and drop on a

682
00:33:35,889 --> 00:33:34,220
parachute pop hazard cannot say

683
00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:35,899
information they just drift with the

684
00:33:40,539 --> 00:33:38,210
wind they have huge smoke trails that

685
00:33:42,970 --> 00:33:40,549
are illuminated by the flare itself and

686
00:33:44,710 --> 00:33:42,980
their mission is to illuminate the area

687
00:33:47,889 --> 00:33:44,720
around it that's what they're meant to

688
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:47,899
do not one witness mentioned that and I

689
00:33:51,940 --> 00:33:49,130
said you're telling me that flares that

690
00:33:55,299 --> 00:33:51,950
cannot keep that firm ation traversed

691
00:33:58,090 --> 00:33:55,309
the entire state and a rock-solid it was

692
00:34:02,799 --> 00:33:58,100
sufficiently spaced Mile formation be

693
00:34:05,220 --> 00:34:02,809
formation from ours and she says coming

694
00:34:07,870 --> 00:34:05,230
in I got back to you well I'm so waiting

695
00:34:10,690 --> 00:34:07,880
interesting how your evidence discounted

696
00:34:13,119 --> 00:34:10,700
that other story she had to come forward

697
00:34:15,250 --> 00:34:13,129
well it sure could be what I saw doctor

698
00:34:18,659 --> 00:34:15,260
the question for you there is no such

699
00:34:21,310 --> 00:34:18,669
thing as a PhD in being a Jew apologist

700
00:34:23,619 --> 00:34:21,320
basically it can be a hobby for somebody

701
00:34:25,690 --> 00:34:23,629
the question I have for you is it does

702
00:34:27,369 --> 00:34:25,700
not take a degree to look into the sky

703
00:34:30,309 --> 00:34:27,379
to notice that something is anomalous

704
00:34:32,530 --> 00:34:30,319
and doesn't seem quite right it's not an

705
00:34:34,589 --> 00:34:32,540
airplane yet it seems to be traversing

706
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:34,599
the sky at some very strange speeds

707
00:34:41,220 --> 00:34:39,530
distances a very fast pace much faster

708
00:34:44,369 --> 00:34:41,230
than the

709
00:34:47,159 --> 00:34:44,379
aircraft that we have out today much

710
00:34:48,629 --> 00:34:47,169
slower much very that's a good point

711
00:34:51,210 --> 00:34:48,639
thank you for bringing that up the

712
00:34:53,579 --> 00:34:51,220
question I have for you is how does the

713
00:34:55,970 --> 00:34:53,589
human mind grapple with seeing something

714
00:34:58,680 --> 00:34:55,980
in the sky that could be anomalous and

715
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:58,690
possibly an extraterrestrial craft or an

716
00:35:02,640 --> 00:35:00,880
extraterrestrial object this is exactly

717
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:02,650
what we're going to be talking about

718
00:35:08,550 --> 00:35:06,010
today no I think it's the topic it

719
00:35:12,420 --> 00:35:08,560
should be that we should move into you

720
00:35:15,810 --> 00:35:12,430
know everywhere the reality from these

721
00:35:18,990 --> 00:35:15,820
events we don't have to talk about the

722
00:35:22,730 --> 00:35:19,000
reality of the events anymore these are

723
00:35:25,500 --> 00:35:22,740
seen too widely very diverse kinds of

724
00:35:27,180 --> 00:35:25,510
objects lights and so forth the

725
00:35:28,770 --> 00:35:27,190
government will not take credit for that

726
00:35:31,260 --> 00:35:28,780
the military will not take credit for

727
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:31,270
these are things clearly being observed

728
00:35:36,980 --> 00:35:34,570
by the average or other person what

729
00:35:41,040 --> 00:35:36,990
we're talking about today is the

730
00:35:43,020 --> 00:35:41,050
experiencer as much as if not more than

731
00:35:45,780 --> 00:35:43,030
the objects themselves the objects are a

732
00:35:47,819 --> 00:35:45,790
given we're not discussing phenomenology

733
00:35:51,620 --> 00:35:47,829
or reality about these things we're done

734
00:35:54,990 --> 00:35:51,630
with it it's 22 years each year going

735
00:35:57,180 --> 00:35:55,000
what's it going on here no the issue is

736
00:35:59,430 --> 00:35:57,190
what's your first reaction

737
00:36:02,280 --> 00:35:59,440
what's your delayed reaction more

738
00:36:04,380 --> 00:36:02,290
importantly what comes to mind over

739
00:36:06,809 --> 00:36:04,390
years and you wonder where these ideas

740
00:36:09,420 --> 00:36:06,819
are coming from and why are you talking

741
00:36:10,950 --> 00:36:09,430
to so and so about this idea unless

742
00:36:12,390 --> 00:36:10,960
somehow you think they're ready to hear

743
00:36:15,479 --> 00:36:12,400
this idea

744
00:36:17,329 --> 00:36:15,489
things may unfold over time it begins

745
00:36:20,819 --> 00:36:17,339
with people's memories coming back

746
00:36:22,589 --> 00:36:20,829
something triggers it Boston wait this

747
00:36:26,910 --> 00:36:22,599
happened so long ago how did you forget

748
00:36:29,009 --> 00:36:26,920
it we forgot it for three months saying

749
00:36:31,380 --> 00:36:29,019
not only did Kurt Russell forget it zoo

750
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:31,390
and buried it and he was actually seeing

751
00:36:35,130 --> 00:36:32,890
the same exact thing I was filming at

752
00:36:36,630 --> 00:36:35,140
the same time which is really it was

753
00:36:40,650 --> 00:36:36,640
thinking itself about half an hour later

754
00:36:43,410 --> 00:36:40,660
right for me the timings perfect

755
00:36:46,829 --> 00:36:43,420
and also our own governor who mocked the

756
00:36:49,140 --> 00:36:46,839
sighting in 97 ethnical whatever reason

757
00:36:51,150 --> 00:36:49,150
bravely came forward right after the

758
00:36:54,299 --> 00:36:51,160
tenth anniversary to say that he

759
00:36:57,739 --> 00:36:54,309
actually saw one of these mile wide

760
00:37:01,380 --> 00:36:57,749
craft and in his own opinion and he's a

761
00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:01,390
awarded military pilot number one it was

762
00:37:05,130 --> 00:37:03,249
definitely not flares we weren't talking

763
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:05,140
about craft with gunmetal bottoms and

764
00:37:10,349 --> 00:37:07,690
windows and so forth that many people

765
00:37:12,260 --> 00:37:10,359
saw but also in his own words it was

766
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:12,270
other more often

767
00:37:15,530 --> 00:37:13,650
and you would hear that all over the

768
00:37:21,380 --> 00:37:15,540
world other countries are much more open

769
00:37:25,340 --> 00:37:21,390
to these phenomena as being consistent

770
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:25,350
with your question what are the most

771
00:37:31,730 --> 00:37:28,890
normal reactions rationalisation right

772
00:37:33,740 --> 00:37:31,740
away average person it's military would

773
00:37:35,330 --> 00:37:33,750
it be fair to say rationalization at the

774
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:35,340
point of being irrational

775
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:38,330
you know rationalization conscious

776
00:37:44,540 --> 00:37:41,130
rationalization is this is explainable

777
00:37:48,380 --> 00:37:44,550
keep driving even if the explanation

778
00:37:51,590 --> 00:37:48,390
could be irrational absolutely in other

779
00:37:54,530 --> 00:37:51,600
words your reaction can be unconscious

780
00:37:57,140 --> 00:37:54,540
for conscious it depends on what you are

781
00:37:59,660 --> 00:37:57,150
ready for at the time and if you're

782
00:38:01,640 --> 00:37:59,670
ready it's as they used to say in

783
00:38:02,810 --> 00:38:01,650
behavioral research how you react to

784
00:38:07,100 --> 00:38:02,820
things that are outside the realm of

785
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:07,110
your experience and set and setting and

786
00:38:11,780 --> 00:38:08,970
what is your mindset before you

787
00:38:15,230 --> 00:38:11,790
experience this thing if your technical

788
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:15,240
you go hmm it's probably explainable who

789
00:38:18,620 --> 00:38:16,170
I'll get to it

790
00:38:22,940 --> 00:38:18,630
the other one is unconscious which is

791
00:38:25,310 --> 00:38:22,950
repression that is I saw nothing which

792
00:38:27,980 --> 00:38:25,320
is really the a very common way the mind

793
00:38:30,380 --> 00:38:27,990
handles something way outside the range

794
00:38:31,900 --> 00:38:30,390
of normal experience which means you

795
00:38:35,499 --> 00:38:31,910
forget it

796
00:38:38,529 --> 00:38:35,509
now when it comes back it's can be

797
00:38:41,380 --> 00:38:38,539
overwhelming folks sort of have to be

798
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:41,390
prepared that that could occur don't get

799
00:38:45,970 --> 00:38:43,490
enough about it in other words hold on

800
00:38:47,259 --> 00:38:45,980
this could be your rational thinking

801
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:47,269
coming back something could have

802
00:38:52,720 --> 00:38:49,970
triggered it now work on what that was

803
00:38:55,450 --> 00:38:52,730
and think clearly what was your reaction

804
00:38:58,420 --> 00:38:55,460
to it what did you get out of it down

805
00:39:01,749 --> 00:38:58,430
the road aways many people do that I can

806
00:39:04,839 --> 00:39:01,759
tell you as a neuropsychiatrist they do

807
00:39:07,240 --> 00:39:04,849
not share that with people because when

808
00:39:09,609 --> 00:39:07,250
they do they'll be ridiculed well not

809
00:39:10,690 --> 00:39:09,619
only that which is true and we thank so

810
00:39:12,579 --> 00:39:10,700
much for to go that's why it's enough

811
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:12,589
already with that but everybody comes

812
00:39:15,249 --> 00:39:13,970
from a different background from a

813
00:39:17,319 --> 00:39:15,259
different upbringing from a different

814
00:39:19,269 --> 00:39:17,329
police system some people can't deal

815
00:39:22,390 --> 00:39:19,279
with this topic and some people don't

816
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:22,400
want to and that's okay everyone in

817
00:39:26,349 --> 00:39:24,650
their own time but now the work that

818
00:39:28,329 --> 00:39:26,359
we've been doing and trying to get out

819
00:39:30,640 --> 00:39:28,339
there at a credible professional manner

820
00:39:33,099 --> 00:39:30,650
with the documentary with the third

821
00:39:35,259 --> 00:39:33,109
edition of the book now with a graphic

822
00:39:38,999 --> 00:39:35,269
novel activities coloring book for all

823
00:39:42,190 --> 00:39:39,009
ages which is 160 pages packed with

824
00:39:44,039 --> 00:39:42,200
incredible data that actually I'm gonna

825
00:39:46,960 --> 00:39:44,049
be sharing and doing a youth program

826
00:39:49,329 --> 00:39:46,970
which I'm very excited about where the

827
00:39:52,180 --> 00:39:49,339
50th anniversary MUFON international

828
00:39:53,710 --> 00:39:52,190
symposium that's in July at 10:00 it's

829
00:39:55,059 --> 00:39:53,720
the first of its kind and we're getting

830
00:39:56,920 --> 00:39:55,069
that all together and we're going to be

831
00:39:58,870 --> 00:39:56,930
showing the documentary kids know that

832
00:40:01,539 --> 00:39:58,880
kids are here today watching the

833
00:40:04,839 --> 00:40:01,549
documentary and I had so many children

834
00:40:06,910 --> 00:40:04,849
from 8:00 on up doing book reports on

835
00:40:10,269 --> 00:40:06,920
the book I mean they thirsty for this

836
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:10,279
knowledge they're open to

837
00:40:17,299 --> 00:40:13,650
like a child and paranormal phenomena

838
00:40:18,980 --> 00:40:17,309
they're open parents and parts of

839
00:40:21,140 --> 00:40:18,990
society might feel that it's dangerous

840
00:40:23,660 --> 00:40:21,150
for children to be exposed to this topic

841
00:40:26,690 --> 00:40:23,670
how do you feel about that I think if

842
00:40:28,789 --> 00:40:26,700
this is real let me go back a step I

843
00:40:30,740 --> 00:40:28,799
visited my grandchildren who were three

844
00:40:32,630 --> 00:40:30,750
in California guess what's on TV

845
00:40:35,299 --> 00:40:32,640
like what cartoons are they seeing all

846
00:40:42,490 --> 00:40:35,309
the time spaceship doesn't look like

847
00:40:50,839 --> 00:40:46,400
this program I said it was in March last

848
00:40:53,240 --> 00:40:50,849
year in December 2017 what happened the

849
00:40:55,220 --> 00:40:53,250
government said look at this stuff

850
00:40:58,009 --> 00:40:55,230
forever right good millions on this

851
00:41:00,289 --> 00:40:58,019
there's some gun camera video and two

852
00:41:01,849 --> 00:41:00,299
jet pilots talking to each other and I

853
00:41:04,309 --> 00:41:01,859
said at the meeting last year

854
00:41:09,049 --> 00:41:04,319
ready ready everyone it's just three

855
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:09,059
months ago it was for three days not a

856
00:41:17,509 --> 00:41:13,170
hand-up you've been all pretty well

857
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:17,519
prepared for this things happen you

858
00:41:21,589 --> 00:41:19,650
won't be too fearful will you that's the

859
00:41:22,910 --> 00:41:21,599
answer if I should about kids they're

860
00:41:27,650 --> 00:41:22,920
already being prepared that's why

861
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:27,660
they're open to the media and Holly is

862
00:41:32,749 --> 00:41:31,200
still portraying topic as negative and

863
00:41:34,390 --> 00:41:32,759
scary and threatening that was one of

864
00:41:37,460 --> 00:41:34,400
the reasons I came forward to say enough

865
00:41:38,779 --> 00:41:37,470
there's not one word a barn threat or

866
00:41:41,089 --> 00:41:38,789
abduction of anything it's just the

867
00:41:44,029 --> 00:41:41,099
reverse I would say you have to be

868
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:44,039
careful maybe we say they work better if

869
00:41:48,079 --> 00:41:45,930
somebody on TV says they saw something

870
00:41:51,950 --> 00:41:48,089
and they said wow that was scary

871
00:41:54,440 --> 00:41:51,960
wait a minute was it mysterious that's a

872
00:41:54,910 --> 00:41:54,450
different word which is more exciting to

873
00:41:57,740 --> 00:41:54,920
me

874
00:42:00,319 --> 00:41:57,750
mysterious were scary let's talk a while

875
00:42:01,609 --> 00:42:00,329
what did you mean by that word what was

876
00:42:05,170 --> 00:42:01,619
the real word you could use in

877
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:05,180
retrospect about it wait using not scary

878
00:42:09,300 --> 00:42:07,330
dr. Gary Schwartz says

879
00:42:11,100 --> 00:42:09,310
the documentary is a head of a

880
00:42:13,410 --> 00:42:11,110
consciousness study department at the U

881
00:42:17,670 --> 00:42:13,420
of A you know the University of Arizona

882
00:42:19,830 --> 00:42:17,680
if you're ingrained with the thoughts of

883
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:19,840
strike for threatened harm harm how do

884
00:42:22,770 --> 00:42:21,130
you think you're going to react if you

885
00:42:26,220 --> 00:42:22,780
see something coming towards you and

886
00:42:28,230 --> 00:42:26,230
it's interesting in 97 six months before

887
00:42:32,100 --> 00:42:28,240
the vast citing the movie Independence

888
00:42:34,140 --> 00:42:32,110
Day right huge yes and children also

889
00:42:36,930 --> 00:42:34,150
interestingly we're usually the first to

890
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:36,940
see this mile-wide V coming of lights

891
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:38,290
coming towards them and alert their

892
00:42:45,990 --> 00:42:40,930
parents Independence Day Independence

893
00:42:47,820 --> 00:42:46,000
Day Independence Day but it came over

894
00:42:49,530 --> 00:42:47,830
everyone a connectedness to the

895
00:42:51,660 --> 00:42:49,540
phenomena that after it passed they

896
00:42:55,380 --> 00:42:51,670
wanted to chase after it or get in their

897
00:42:58,860 --> 00:42:55,390
cars and just follow it the the

898
00:43:01,770 --> 00:42:58,870
transformation in real time was telling

899
00:43:04,620 --> 00:43:01,780
and stunning people were in awe or in

900
00:43:07,050 --> 00:43:04,630
wonder they wanted they were curious

901
00:43:08,430 --> 00:43:07,060
they had telepathic messages and not to

902
00:43:11,340 --> 00:43:08,440
worry you know they're not here just

903
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:11,350
some are new and long-term I'm still

904
00:43:15,060 --> 00:43:13,210
getting emails I mean I have thousands

905
00:43:17,190 --> 00:43:15,070
and thousands of emails from being

906
00:43:17,790 --> 00:43:17,200
excites witnesses that it changed their

907
00:43:19,770 --> 00:43:17,800
life forever

908
00:43:21,630 --> 00:43:19,780
I didn't share this by the way was a

909
00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:21,640
director of I did share this with the

910
00:43:28,310 --> 00:43:24,610
director of MUFON but nobody else yes

911
00:43:31,260 --> 00:43:28,320
Jim yeah he asked in front of the big

912
00:43:33,630 --> 00:43:31,270
topological plaster map of Arizona at

913
00:43:37,620 --> 00:43:33,640
the time date stamps and who saw what

914
00:43:40,560 --> 00:43:37,630
when Jim this was a homecoming parade

915
00:43:44,490 --> 00:43:40,570
this was a parade this was a

916
00:43:46,859 --> 00:43:44,500
demonstration we are here you don't

917
00:43:49,050 --> 00:43:46,869
I'm thinking where are these words

918
00:43:51,839 --> 00:43:49,060
coming from from a neuropsychologist

919
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:51,849
hard science hard clinical science

920
00:43:56,520 --> 00:43:54,490
people of F knew was that telepathic no

921
00:43:58,830 --> 00:43:56,530
I just knew it and that's what people

922
00:44:02,130 --> 00:43:58,840
have said time and time again and people

923
00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:02,140
ask me so why did they come here you

924
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:04,690
know the point is that whoever was

925
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:07,810
behind this wanted to not only in a

926
00:44:16,109 --> 00:44:13,690
non-threatening way okay raise our

927
00:44:18,900 --> 00:44:16,119
consciousness to be aware that we're not

928
00:44:22,470 --> 00:44:18,910
alone in the universe that it isn't a

929
00:44:24,420 --> 00:44:22,480
belief it's unknowing it's once you have

930
00:44:26,370 --> 00:44:24,430
that it's been a difference the

931
00:44:29,820 --> 00:44:26,380
journalistic and scientific communities

932
00:44:32,630 --> 00:44:29,830
are actively ignoring this phenomenon if

933
00:44:34,820 --> 00:44:32,640
extraterrestrials were to land here

934
00:44:36,260 --> 00:44:34,830
how does that change science what kind

935
00:44:38,510 --> 00:44:36,270
of new frontiers and science would be

936
00:44:41,390 --> 00:44:38,520
open quantum physics any other

937
00:44:45,020 --> 00:44:41,400
categories already there I mean they're

938
00:44:47,660 --> 00:44:45,030
talking about metamaterial dimensions if

939
00:44:51,140 --> 00:44:47,670
we're talking 10 or 11 physics about

940
00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:51,150
other dimensions there's other time and

941
00:44:55,820 --> 00:44:54,210
spaces along with ours then why is it

942
00:44:58,520 --> 00:44:55,830
such a leap to think that there could be

943
00:45:00,380 --> 00:44:58,530
other intelligences in those other times

944
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:00,390
it's phases that we get glimpses up if

945
00:45:04,100 --> 00:45:03,090
we're open to them or invited do you

946
00:45:06,830 --> 00:45:04,110
feel about the possibility of

947
00:45:08,930 --> 00:45:06,840
metamaterials being discovered by to the

948
00:45:12,170 --> 00:45:08,940
Stars Academy they have an approached

949
00:45:14,630 --> 00:45:12,180
project called atom project supposedly

950
00:45:16,490 --> 00:45:14,640
there are studying you a keeper of

951
00:45:19,540 --> 00:45:16,500
fragments within their possession

952
00:45:25,240 --> 00:45:22,330
in true would mean the possibility of

953
00:45:28,720 --> 00:45:25,250
having fragments of native exotic

954
00:45:35,260 --> 00:45:28,730
materials or metals onion should be

955
00:45:37,630 --> 00:45:35,270
watch are smiling meteorites and

956
00:45:41,290 --> 00:45:37,640
asteroids that's that's how even even

957
00:45:43,870 --> 00:45:41,300
astrophysicist ASU I got through Paul

958
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:43,880
Davies who will deny that we have you I

959
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:46,490
thought it was in here will also save it

960
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:48,410
well you're probably seated from Mars

961
00:45:53,950 --> 00:45:51,650
that you know something exploded and we

962
00:45:58,210 --> 00:45:53,960
know if panspermia when it starts blows

963
00:45:59,920 --> 00:45:58,220
and and there consisted of organic

964
00:46:02,770 --> 00:45:59,930
materials are spread throughout the

965
00:46:05,830 --> 00:46:02,780
universe so you know to think that there

966
00:46:09,010 --> 00:46:05,840
are in other planets and we're now being

967
00:46:11,410 --> 00:46:09,020
told that there are habitable planets

968
00:46:14,020 --> 00:46:11,420
out there in habitable zones I mean

969
00:46:17,980 --> 00:46:14,030
there is so much and even if you look at

970
00:46:22,030 --> 00:46:17,990
earth okay and you look from the depths

971
00:46:25,600 --> 00:46:22,040
of the frozen Arctic to the hot springs

972
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:25,610
okay that are uninhabitable from those

973
00:46:29,740 --> 00:46:27,290
thing there's still there's still

974
00:46:35,760 --> 00:46:29,750
organisms that live there we just found

975
00:46:39,570 --> 00:46:35,770
our snow living in Arsenic organisms so

976
00:46:42,630 --> 00:46:39,580
planet alone there are such a range of

977
00:46:44,849 --> 00:46:42,640
habitable areas that are viable

978
00:46:47,370 --> 00:46:44,859
and you know come on the ocean is about

979
00:46:49,079 --> 00:46:47,380
70% of our earth they could be down

980
00:46:51,029 --> 00:46:49,089
there we've seen submersibles we call

981
00:46:53,849 --> 00:46:51,039
them submersible unidentified

982
00:46:55,739 --> 00:46:53,859
submersible yes they could just be here

983
00:46:57,749 --> 00:46:55,749
having a grand old time and been here

984
00:47:01,819 --> 00:46:57,759
for centuries and we wouldn't even know

985
00:47:07,170 --> 00:47:05,069
right for which we've been all prepared

986
00:47:11,339 --> 00:47:07,180
for I don't think it's gonna be shocking

987
00:47:18,180 --> 00:47:11,349
to anyone period exobiology from NASA

988
00:47:21,269 --> 00:47:18,190
will be all over I'm trying to

989
00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:21,279
understand how did you get here the

990
00:47:26,489 --> 00:47:23,650
physics I think that's gonna be the

991
00:47:28,109 --> 00:47:26,499
ration not panic this will just expand

992
00:47:30,269 --> 00:47:28,119
the fields that already exist

993
00:47:31,319 --> 00:47:30,279
it'll be incorporated into it and what

994
00:47:35,670 --> 00:47:31,329
we're doing here today

995
00:47:37,319 --> 00:47:35,680
we just mainstream being able to come to

996
00:47:40,349 --> 00:47:37,329
an event and as far as we know it's the

997
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:40,359
only mainstream event of its kind most

998
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:43,450
if not 90% of the audience are just

999
00:47:48,029 --> 00:47:45,249
regular people that either had the

1000
00:47:49,890 --> 00:47:48,039
experience had an experience curious

1001
00:47:52,829 --> 00:47:49,900
about the experience Curie about the

1002
00:47:54,989 --> 00:47:52,839
ofin amin ah and once they leave it

1003
00:47:59,039 --> 00:47:54,999
happens every years is a 14th year we

1004
00:48:01,559 --> 00:47:59,049
are sold now for 25 had another another

1005
00:48:05,460 --> 00:48:01,569
theater this year because people are so

1006
00:48:07,859 --> 00:48:05,470
curious now and as the media that are

1007
00:48:11,789 --> 00:48:07,869
kind about this and realistic about this

1008
00:48:14,130 --> 00:48:11,799
are letting some facts leak out here and

1009
00:48:15,910 --> 00:48:14,140
there more and more people will feel

1010
00:48:18,220 --> 00:48:15,920
comfortable

1011
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:18,230
coming to an event like this and people

1012
00:48:22,660 --> 00:48:20,450
come as strangers but we've connected

1013
00:48:24,850 --> 00:48:22,670
there's something about and learning

1014
00:48:26,770 --> 00:48:24,860
about this phenomenon knowing it's safe

1015
00:48:29,350 --> 00:48:26,780
to learn about this phenomena that's why

1016
00:48:32,380 --> 00:48:29,360
I applaud new fun and and invite people

1017
00:48:34,270 --> 00:48:32,390
to the MUFON conferences and so forth

1018
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:34,280
especially the MUFON

1019
00:48:40,900 --> 00:48:38,210
Arizona MUFON here with Stacey Wright

1020
00:48:42,820 --> 00:48:40,910
and Jim man is there gold standard from

1021
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:42,830
what should happen they are just so on

1022
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:45,770
top of things and wonderful speakers and

1023
00:48:51,370 --> 00:48:49,610
just really there for people that need

1024
00:48:53,890 --> 00:48:51,380
to be there I mean we have to have some

1025
00:48:57,100 --> 00:48:53,900
kind of a networking so that when

1026
00:49:02,890 --> 00:48:57,110
someone does have the sighting my cards

1027
00:49:05,650 --> 00:49:02,900
I got another card okay okay so there's

1028
00:49:07,090 --> 00:49:05,660
that that is wrapped up that was that

1029
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:07,100
was a fun little interview there a chit

1030
00:49:22,309 --> 00:49:08,810
you and dr. Evans were mixing it up

1031
00:49:27,180 --> 00:49:25,079
okay okay so yeah that was fun to listen

1032
00:49:30,390 --> 00:49:27,190
to and don't what do we got next Shane

1033
00:49:36,240 --> 00:49:30,400
you're still with us right yeah I think

1034
00:49:37,740 --> 00:49:36,250
Shane is teachers checked out fantastic

1035
00:49:39,420 --> 00:49:37,750
thank you I wanted to bring up a few

1036
00:49:40,770 --> 00:49:39,430
things to people just to you know

1037
00:49:42,960 --> 00:49:40,780
because there might be listeners who are

1038
00:49:45,359 --> 00:49:42,970
coming in right now and that is what

1039
00:49:47,910 --> 00:49:45,369
we're covering our these topics the

1040
00:49:52,109 --> 00:49:47,920
Phoenix lights it's a documentary done

1041
00:49:56,730 --> 00:49:52,119
by dr. T tie executive producer Steve

1042
00:50:00,690 --> 00:49:56,740
Lance and it is based on the book that

1043
00:50:02,789 --> 00:50:00,700
also was written by a doctor katha I

1044
00:50:04,589 --> 00:50:02,799
believe that's called the Phoenix lights

1045
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:04,599
a skeptics discovery that we are not

1046
00:50:09,059 --> 00:50:07,210
alone and it features astronaut dr.

1047
00:50:13,700 --> 00:50:09,069
Edgar Mitchell former Governor v

1048
00:50:15,900 --> 00:50:13,710
Symington former vice mayor Barwood and

1049
00:50:18,270 --> 00:50:15,910
investigators military pilots and

1050
00:50:21,089 --> 00:50:18,280
witnesses and also wanted to mention a

1051
00:50:22,530 --> 00:50:21,099
few things and that is one reason why

1052
00:50:25,559 --> 00:50:22,540
it's really important to go to this

1053
00:50:28,049 --> 00:50:25,569
event is you'll get to see wonderful

1054
00:50:31,020 --> 00:50:28,059
things such as the only known forensic

1055
00:50:34,470 --> 00:50:31,030
analysis done of the Phoenix lights an

1056
00:50:37,589 --> 00:50:34,480
animation form a by Laurent Shaban and

1057
00:50:40,799 --> 00:50:37,599
he came all the way from France to join

1058
00:50:41,309 --> 00:50:40,809
us at that event on Sunday March 17th at

1059
00:50:44,069 --> 00:50:41,319
1:00 p.m.

1060
00:50:46,710 --> 00:50:44,079
and Larry Lowe also worked in

1061
00:50:48,470 --> 00:50:46,720
collaboration with that important

1062
00:50:52,740 --> 00:50:48,480
animation that they created together

1063
00:50:56,460 --> 00:50:52,750
they also had another guest who spoke in

1064
00:50:59,700 --> 00:50:56,470
a panel at that event and he spoke about

1065
00:51:02,130 --> 00:50:59,710
the Prescott case where he actually is

1066
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:02,140
the only known Prescott witness who

1067
00:51:06,839 --> 00:51:05,410
viewed this mass sighting event the

1068
00:51:08,940 --> 00:51:06,849
other people that you'll get to listen

1069
00:51:12,720 --> 00:51:08,950
to at this important event when you go

1070
00:51:16,440 --> 00:51:12,730
next year for example one person by the

1071
00:51:20,190 --> 00:51:16,450
name of Clifford Mahoney a Zuni elder he

1072
00:51:23,069 --> 00:51:20,200
gave the Native American perspective

1073
00:51:27,380 --> 00:51:23,079
regarding the connections of this topic

1074
00:51:31,930 --> 00:51:27,390
and how Native Americans have cited this

1075
00:51:34,960 --> 00:51:31,940
this strange anomaly this crap

1076
00:51:38,890 --> 00:51:34,970
for hundreds of years and then also John

1077
00:51:41,829 --> 00:51:38,900
Dover a tribal police a former tribal

1078
00:51:44,859 --> 00:51:41,839
police officer he spoke at the event to

1079
00:51:46,660 --> 00:51:44,869
a great extent and I just wanted to kind

1080
00:51:48,250 --> 00:51:46,670
of emphasize to everybody how important

1081
00:51:50,230 --> 00:51:48,260
it is to go to this kind of event to

1082
00:51:53,559 --> 00:51:50,240
become more educated about it they're

1083
00:51:55,059 --> 00:51:53,569
fun they're fun oh you know and you know

1084
00:51:57,430 --> 00:51:55,069
I might sound really serious when I'm

1085
00:51:59,289 --> 00:51:57,440
talking about it but everybody felt so

1086
00:52:01,390 --> 00:51:59,299
empowered and thrilled to learn more

1087
00:52:05,950 --> 00:52:01,400
about this topic and there's also a

1088
00:52:08,620 --> 00:52:05,960
wonderful graphic novel that was created

1089
00:52:11,079 --> 00:52:08,630
and written by dr. T tie for kids to

1090
00:52:13,510 --> 00:52:11,089
actually spend time on and get involved

1091
00:52:15,819 --> 00:52:13,520
with and I wanted to know Frank if you

1092
00:52:18,460 --> 00:52:15,829
wouldn't mind playing a couple clips and

1093
00:52:21,640 --> 00:52:18,470
that is there's just very short clips

1094
00:52:24,809 --> 00:52:21,650
left here of dr. Brad Evans Nero

1095
00:52:27,339 --> 00:52:24,819
psychiatrist and also Phoenix lights

1096
00:52:30,339 --> 00:52:27,349
witness and then there's also another

1097
00:52:33,039 --> 00:52:30,349
clip extremely short that's left with

1098
00:52:35,950 --> 00:52:33,049
the doctor key tie and dr. Brad Evans in

1099
00:52:39,460 --> 00:52:35,960
whatever order yep okay I'll run the

1100
00:52:41,109 --> 00:52:39,470
Brad Evans clip now you two were mixing

1101
00:52:43,450 --> 00:52:41,119
it up pretty good like I said so let's

1102
00:52:45,010 --> 00:52:43,460
let's hear you more of you and dr. Evans

1103
00:52:47,079 --> 00:52:45,020
let's go great and then just lastly

1104
00:52:48,640 --> 00:52:47,089
wanted to mention dormitories and a

1105
00:52:52,930 --> 00:52:48,650
nurse that were there going to bring on

1106
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:52,940
and bring stories ahead let everybody

1107
00:52:56,470 --> 00:52:54,890
know her first name Stacey in and I'll

1108
00:52:58,690 --> 00:52:56,480
let everybody know who she is right good

1109
00:53:00,730 --> 00:52:58,700
yeah so let's let's run this one and it

1110
00:53:03,819 --> 00:53:00,740
should run us right up until about the

1111
00:53:05,829 --> 00:53:03,829
time if we're gonna bring her on at the

1112
00:53:09,220 --> 00:53:05,839
bottom of the hour then that'll be about

1113
00:53:11,890 --> 00:53:09,230
right okay here comes dr. Brad Evans a

1114
00:53:14,380 --> 00:53:11,900
neuro psychiatrist who is here to

1115
00:53:17,410 --> 00:53:14,390
celebrate the 22nd anniversary of the

1116
00:53:18,830 --> 00:53:17,420
Phoenix lights movie director dr. Lynn

1117
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:18,840
khatai

1118
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:20,970
doctor can you please give us a little

1119
00:53:24,740 --> 00:53:22,650
bit of information regarding why you're

1120
00:53:26,150 --> 00:53:24,750
here today and anything else that you

1121
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:26,160
feel is relevant to share with our

1122
00:53:32,900 --> 00:53:29,370
listeners sure I was one of those what

1123
00:53:36,290 --> 00:53:32,910
we now call experiencers and this was

1124
00:53:37,550 --> 00:53:36,300
back in march 1997 I was living in

1125
00:53:39,980 --> 00:53:37,560
Tucson and working as a nurse

1126
00:53:42,710 --> 00:53:39,990
psychiatrist my daughter was going to a

1127
00:53:45,470 --> 00:53:42,720
swim meet in Tempe so we were driving up

1128
00:53:49,940 --> 00:53:45,480
in the evening before to get into a

1129
00:53:53,120 --> 00:53:49,950
hotel ready to go the next morning I was

1130
00:53:56,810 --> 00:53:53,130
a general aviation pilot and as we were

1131
00:53:59,500 --> 00:53:56,820
driving north northwest and South

1132
00:54:03,440 --> 00:53:59,510
Mountain and the towers were in sight

1133
00:54:05,510 --> 00:54:03,450
the valley east of the International

1134
00:54:08,060 --> 00:54:05,520
Airport Sky Harbor and the silhouette of

1135
00:54:11,180 --> 00:54:08,070
South South Mountain it was up far to

1136
00:54:13,580 --> 00:54:11,190
our right maybe by 10 miles I said to my

1137
00:54:18,080 --> 00:54:13,590
wife who's driving well I've been a

1138
00:54:21,860 --> 00:54:18,090
pilot for 10 years we've been living in

1139
00:54:25,820 --> 00:54:21,870
the desert for now seven years and I

1140
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:25,830
said there is nothing I've ever seen at

1141
00:54:30,050 --> 00:54:27,930
night and I prefer to fly at night there

1142
00:54:32,990 --> 00:54:30,060
is nothing I've ever seen that I can't

1143
00:54:37,730 --> 00:54:33,000
explain and she just said then what's

1144
00:54:41,030 --> 00:54:37,740
that and what it was was the six for me

1145
00:54:44,660 --> 00:54:41,040
fairly bright amber lights leaving that

1146
00:54:48,380 --> 00:54:44,670
valley between Sky Harbor and Camelback

1147
00:54:49,610 --> 00:54:48,390
Mountain I was pretty much fascinated I

1148
00:54:51,920 --> 00:54:49,620
had never seen anything like it

1149
00:54:56,570 --> 00:54:51,930
this is really on the approach in the

1150
00:55:00,080 --> 00:54:56,580
Sky Harbor this is about 8:35 I tend to

1151
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:00,090
be analytic I know this is important I'm

1152
00:55:04,940 --> 00:55:01,650
gonna look at the clock I'm gonna say

1153
00:55:08,380 --> 00:55:04,950
this is starting at 8:35 now let's just

1154
00:55:12,700 --> 00:55:08,390
watch and see what happens so for us

1155
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:12,710
these six objects began moving toward us

1156
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:18,930
and very very slowly and I said to my

1157
00:55:24,110 --> 00:55:21,810
wife you need to slow down this is

1158
00:55:26,690 --> 00:55:24,120
pretty important to me I don't know why

1159
00:55:30,710 --> 00:55:26,700
it's very important to me but I need to

1160
00:55:34,250 --> 00:55:30,720
see this more carefully we slowed down

1161
00:55:37,220 --> 00:55:34,260
from 75 miles an hour to 60 and I said

1162
00:55:39,710 --> 00:55:37,230
can you go slower we got down to 40 so I

1163
00:55:42,710 --> 00:55:39,720
can open the moonroof and just as I

1164
00:55:45,100 --> 00:55:42,720
opened it it's directly overhead the

1165
00:55:48,890 --> 00:55:45,110
lights off in the distance were

1166
00:55:51,050 --> 00:55:48,900
horizontal because the angle seeing an

1167
00:55:53,060 --> 00:55:51,060
object obviously on the edge so it's

1168
00:55:56,900 --> 00:55:53,070
just a straight line of lights by the

1169
00:56:00,260 --> 00:55:56,910
time it's overhead it has spread out to

1170
00:56:02,660 --> 00:56:00,270
the full six lights and another trailing

1171
00:56:06,290 --> 00:56:02,670
light and to give you a sense of the

1172
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:06,300
color and the size I could hold a dime

1173
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:08,970
at arm's length and say that's how big

1174
00:56:18,700 --> 00:56:13,770
the lights are so that's basically the

1175
00:56:24,670 --> 00:56:21,730
I'm a neuroscientist yes but I was a

1176
00:56:27,430 --> 00:56:24,680
chemist that's hard science yes it is

1177
00:56:29,350 --> 00:56:27,440
clinical science I've been trained at

1178
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:29,360
how the mind works Rachel listen the

1179
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:31,610
first thing I do is analyze is this me

1180
00:56:37,750 --> 00:56:35,810
or that you always have to think in

1181
00:56:39,940 --> 00:56:37,760
terms of we in the business of

1182
00:56:43,030 --> 00:56:39,950
referential thinking yes is this related

1183
00:56:45,610 --> 00:56:43,040
to me what is this how am i reacting to

1184
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:45,620
it this is how we're trained how I react

1185
00:56:49,180 --> 00:56:47,450
to something I've never seen before in

1186
00:56:51,070 --> 00:56:49,190
my life when you looked at something

1187
00:56:53,290 --> 00:56:51,080
that was not tangible in front of you

1188
00:56:56,230 --> 00:56:53,300
and you did not have the benefit of the

1189
00:56:58,150 --> 00:56:56,240
hard science or data available to you to

1190
00:57:01,990 --> 00:56:58,160
be able to delineate what you're looking

1191
00:57:04,630 --> 00:57:02,000
at what did you inherently feel your

1192
00:57:07,330 --> 00:57:04,640
emotions whether it was science related

1193
00:57:09,070 --> 00:57:07,340
or not what did you feel when you looked

1194
00:57:10,300 --> 00:57:09,080
at that did it something intuitively

1195
00:57:12,190 --> 00:57:10,310
tell you that it could have been

1196
00:57:16,210 --> 00:57:12,200
extraterrestrial related or was it just

1197
00:57:18,870 --> 00:57:16,220
an anomalous object in the sky I never

1198
00:57:27,880 --> 00:57:18,880
in my life used the term awesome

1199
00:57:30,160 --> 00:57:27,890
it was majestic experience was awe I've

1200
00:57:33,130 --> 00:57:30,170
never seen anything like this more

1201
00:57:36,820 --> 00:57:33,140
importantly as it's coming overhead the

1202
00:57:38,880 --> 00:57:36,830
full shape size of this thing becomes

1203
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:38,890
obvious and then you're simply

1204
00:57:46,420 --> 00:57:41,650
overwhelmed with something that you know

1205
00:57:48,250 --> 00:57:46,430
be military my wife would say this is

1206
00:57:51,850 --> 00:57:48,260
not about us this is not for us we need

1207
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:51,860
to keep driving and I'm saying no I

1208
00:57:58,060 --> 00:57:54,530
think this is something important and

1209
00:58:00,280 --> 00:57:58,070
it's for me to know about I need to know

1210
00:58:03,210 --> 00:58:00,290
about this I wouldn't be able to explain

1211
00:58:06,220 --> 00:58:03,220
to you why do I need to know about this

1212
00:58:07,870 --> 00:58:06,230
so basically

1213
00:58:11,710 --> 00:58:07,880
I've been asked repeatedly how big was

1214
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:11,720
this thing well again as a pilot and a

1215
00:58:16,990 --> 00:58:14,210
scientist I had no reference point so

1216
00:58:19,930 --> 00:58:17,000
when you see something in the sky even

1217
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:19,940
as a pilot it's a dark sky how do you

1218
00:58:24,490 --> 00:58:22,400
know what size it is I have a reference

1219
00:58:28,780 --> 00:58:24,500
point to starboard I have no reference

1220
00:58:32,170 --> 00:58:28,790
point to portside but being the kind of

1221
00:58:37,569 --> 00:58:32,180
person I am I do this angle when the

1222
00:58:39,940 --> 00:58:37,579
lights first appear my calculations

1223
00:58:43,089 --> 00:58:39,950
already there's the peak of Camelback

1224
00:58:45,430 --> 00:58:43,099
peak this object is below that I'm

1225
00:58:49,990 --> 00:58:45,440
thinking of the eye and the angle and 15

1226
00:58:52,089 --> 00:58:50,000
miles or so away which is traffic

1227
00:58:58,210 --> 00:58:52,099
pattern altitude coming in to Sky Harbor

1228
00:59:00,069 --> 00:58:58,220
from the east would be flying over Sky

1229
00:59:03,550 --> 00:59:00,079
Harbor with commercial airlines flying

1230
00:59:06,849 --> 00:59:03,560
in at that altitude okay but when it's

1231
00:59:09,040 --> 00:59:06,859
directly overhead I'm assuming for no

1232
00:59:11,890 --> 00:59:09,050
other good reason that it must be at

1233
00:59:16,390 --> 00:59:11,900
about the same altitude then the only

1234
00:59:20,800 --> 00:59:16,400
thing I can say I can't Hannah with the

1235
00:59:23,020 --> 00:59:20,810
UFO news network my co-host is okay and

1236
00:59:25,710 --> 00:59:23,030
that is wrapped up so it's a bottom of

1237
00:59:30,370 --> 00:59:25,720
the hour now chant do you want to give

1238
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:30,380
Stacey a call oh okay hurry all right

1239
00:59:36,099 --> 00:59:34,250
and before I do that let me just go

1240
00:59:38,770 --> 00:59:36,109
ahead and just tell everybody a little

1241
00:59:40,780 --> 00:59:38,780
bit about her actually if you wouldn't

1242
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:40,790
mind could you play that clip while I

1243
00:59:56,060 --> 00:59:42,890
give her ring regarding the interview I

1244
00:59:56,070 --> 01:00:00,720
I don't see it

1245
01:00:12,320 --> 01:00:02,339
that will just go ahead and bring her in

1246
01:00:22,670 --> 01:00:20,180
calling Stacy hello Stacy yeah hi Stacy

1247
01:00:26,030 --> 01:00:22,680
Frank here a chance on the line and

1248
01:00:28,220 --> 01:00:26,040
Shane heard as well hi guys how y'all

1249
01:00:30,230 --> 01:00:28,230
doing doing good hang on a sec let's

1250
01:00:32,090 --> 01:00:30,240
let's see what happened with chant

1251
01:00:36,560 --> 01:00:32,100
oh they're okay sure about that oh you

1252
01:00:38,030 --> 01:00:36,570
there okay yeah okay were you able to

1253
01:00:44,390 --> 01:00:38,040
play that clip I apologize for some

1254
01:00:46,880 --> 01:00:44,400
reason I gotta know what happened there

1255
01:00:48,980 --> 01:00:46,890
Chad um I'm here can you hear it

1256
01:00:51,050 --> 01:00:48,990
yep I can hear you oh great I apologize

1257
01:00:57,830 --> 01:00:51,060
yaks and how got muted out there I think

1258
01:01:00,800 --> 01:00:57,840
uh my audio got abducted is there any

1259
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:00,810
way that you can actually play that

1260
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:03,930
interview of Stacy well we've got Stacy

1261
01:01:07,460 --> 01:01:05,850
right on the line so oh we do fantastic

1262
01:01:08,540 --> 01:01:07,470
well let me go ahead and introduce her

1263
01:01:10,490 --> 01:01:08,550
thank you so much for letting me know

1264
01:01:12,050 --> 01:01:10,500
that Stacy right who's a really

1265
01:01:16,310 --> 01:01:12,060
wonderful person she's put so much

1266
01:01:18,380 --> 01:01:16,320
energy and effort into the topic of you

1267
01:01:20,600 --> 01:01:18,390
apology she's the assistant state

1268
01:01:23,780 --> 01:01:20,610
director of Arizona and the co-director

1269
01:01:26,600 --> 01:01:23,790
Phoenix MUFON she's gone to the Phoenix

1270
01:01:32,570 --> 01:01:26,610
lights movie maybe 10 or 12 10 or 11

1271
01:01:35,240 --> 01:01:32,580
times and she also wants to cover the

1272
01:01:37,790 --> 01:01:35,250
topic of a really interesting angle that

1273
01:01:40,160 --> 01:01:37,800
I didn't hear about before and that is

1274
01:01:45,980 --> 01:01:40,170
that the state of Arizona got together

1275
01:01:48,260 --> 01:01:45,990
with Phoenix MUFON and to I guess have

1276
01:01:50,480 --> 01:01:48,270
an exhibit regarding the Phoenix lights

1277
01:01:52,070 --> 01:01:50,490
I wanted to know Stacey could you please

1278
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:52,080
cover that a little bit and welcome onto

1279
01:01:58,310 --> 01:01:55,050
the show thank you very much

1280
01:02:00,290 --> 01:01:58,320
yeah we were very happy to get an

1281
01:02:03,110 --> 01:02:00,300
invitation from the Arizona Historical

1282
01:02:04,760 --> 01:02:03,120
Society Museum which is the venue where

1283
01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:04,770
we hold our monthly Phoenix MUFON

1284
01:02:09,170 --> 01:02:07,650
meeting they approached us and asked if

1285
01:02:12,260 --> 01:02:09,180
we would be interested in partnering

1286
01:02:14,180 --> 01:02:12,270
with them on an exhibit upstairs in

1287
01:02:17,420 --> 01:02:14,190
their beautiful Museum centering on the

1288
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:17,430
Phoenix light so of course we said yeah

1289
01:02:22,820 --> 01:02:20,370
you know let's do this so about two

1290
01:02:25,529 --> 01:02:22,830
years ago the exhibit opened and it is

1291
01:02:27,239 --> 01:02:25,539
just a beautiful interactive

1292
01:02:31,199 --> 01:02:27,249
wonderful exhibit up there we've got

1293
01:02:33,239 --> 01:02:31,209
about a 15-foot time line up against the

1294
01:02:35,159 --> 01:02:33,249
wall of exactly where the craft was

1295
01:02:37,559 --> 01:02:35,169
spotted coming across the whole state of

1296
01:02:38,249 --> 01:02:37,569
Arizona we've got about a six or seven

1297
01:02:41,279 --> 01:02:38,259
minute

1298
01:02:43,049 --> 01:02:41,289
looping movie on a big monitor up there

1299
01:02:45,029 --> 01:02:43,059
on the wall that shows a lot of the

1300
01:02:47,699 --> 01:02:45,039
information there and it just it's

1301
01:02:50,909 --> 01:02:47,709
really a lot of fun we actually created

1302
01:02:53,129 --> 01:02:50,919
a v-shaped craft with the lights

1303
01:02:54,929 --> 01:02:53,139
embedded on the underside of it that is

1304
01:02:57,059 --> 01:02:54,939
suspended from the ceiling and hangs

1305
01:02:59,279 --> 01:02:57,069
right over the top of the exhibit so

1306
01:03:00,959 --> 01:02:59,289
it's really some good eye candy for

1307
01:03:03,809 --> 01:03:00,969
people that are interested in that and

1308
01:03:05,729 --> 01:03:03,819
the museum's personnel have told us that

1309
01:03:08,339 --> 01:03:05,739
they would see more good feedback on

1310
01:03:11,249 --> 01:03:08,349
that one exhibit than any others in that

1311
01:03:12,779 --> 01:03:11,259
whole museum and it's huge that's

1312
01:03:17,039 --> 01:03:12,789
incredible you know that's just like

1313
01:03:19,349 --> 01:03:17,049
actually going to the movie you know

1314
01:03:22,139 --> 01:03:19,359
having that kind of experience to be

1315
01:03:23,939 --> 01:03:22,149
that interactive with that kind of event

1316
01:03:27,269 --> 01:03:23,949
you know to sort of place your side

1317
01:03:28,949 --> 01:03:27,279
there and imagine it it's really fun and

1318
01:03:32,309 --> 01:03:28,959
we were you know very flattered to have

1319
01:03:34,859 --> 01:03:32,319
them approached us with this being that

1320
01:03:37,709 --> 01:03:34,869
it's a state-run organization there and

1321
01:03:40,169 --> 01:03:37,719
for them to acknowledge that the Phoenix

1322
01:03:42,689 --> 01:03:40,179
lights was not only kind of a fun claim

1323
01:03:45,449 --> 01:03:42,699
to fame that Phoenix has but it's also

1324
01:03:48,089 --> 01:03:45,459
got so much witness testimony that it's

1325
01:03:50,099 --> 01:03:48,099
considered factual so for them to put it

1326
01:03:51,989 --> 01:03:50,109
in a historical museum is really

1327
01:03:54,149 --> 01:03:51,999
something and we're very proud of that

1328
01:03:56,969 --> 01:03:54,159
I'm glad you mentioned that to it being

1329
01:04:00,509 --> 01:03:56,979
factual because there were literally

1330
01:04:03,599 --> 01:04:00,519
hundreds of witnesses that we're able to

1331
01:04:06,389 --> 01:04:03,609
see this mass event wanted to also give

1332
01:04:09,269 --> 01:04:06,399
a little bit background on MUFON and

1333
01:04:11,699 --> 01:04:09,279
another mention that's important is that

1334
01:04:14,699 --> 01:04:11,709
Stacey was invited to be a guest speaker

1335
01:04:17,189 --> 01:04:14,709
on the panel at this wonderful Phoenix

1336
01:04:20,999 --> 01:04:17,199
lights movie event at Harkins theater in

1337
01:04:22,799 --> 01:04:21,009
March 17th and she was talking about how

1338
01:04:24,479 --> 01:04:22,809
move on is the world's largest database

1339
01:04:26,309 --> 01:04:24,489
if you don't want to report it to the

1340
01:04:29,129 --> 01:04:26,319
police for example the military the Air

1341
01:04:31,739 --> 01:04:29,139
Force Base or Sky Harbor Airport you can

1342
01:04:34,199 --> 01:04:31,749
call MUFON to try to get to the bottom

1343
01:04:37,429 --> 01:04:34,209
of a witness based sighting

1344
01:04:39,300 --> 01:04:37,439
MUFON took over Project Blue Book in

1345
01:04:41,760 --> 01:04:39,310
1969 which started

1346
01:04:44,550 --> 01:04:41,770
47 and took the reporting's of sightings

1347
01:04:47,430 --> 01:04:44,560
from their many field investigators were

1348
01:04:49,830 --> 01:04:47,440
actually at the event at the Phoenix

1349
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:49,840
lights movie event how busy are your

1350
01:04:57,090 --> 01:04:53,850
field investigators Stacey their swamps

1351
01:05:01,260 --> 01:04:57,100
Arizona seems to be a hot spot for UFO

1352
01:05:03,500 --> 01:05:01,270
sightings and we get about 350 sightings

1353
01:05:07,080 --> 01:05:03,510
just in the state of Arizona every year

1354
01:05:09,380 --> 01:05:07,090
so we've got a team of about 17 field

1355
01:05:12,330 --> 01:05:09,390
investigators and they're busy I

1356
01:05:14,250 --> 01:05:12,340
assigned them cases every every week

1357
01:05:15,750 --> 01:05:14,260
some of the new case coming up so it's

1358
01:05:19,530 --> 01:05:15,760
all always something really interesting

1359
01:05:21,060 --> 01:05:19,540
and we're busy so and the fun thing

1360
01:05:23,100 --> 01:05:21,070
about it is we still get sighting

1361
01:05:26,010 --> 01:05:23,110
reports in from people who witnessed the

1362
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:26,020
Phoenix lights back in 97 there's people

1363
01:05:31,410 --> 01:05:28,450
that are just now feeling comfortable

1364
01:05:33,810 --> 01:05:31,420
enough to come forward and say yeah I

1365
01:05:36,210 --> 01:05:33,820
saw that and here's my story so of

1366
01:05:39,210 --> 01:05:36,220
course we take down their information we

1367
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:39,220
add it to our database and there's not a

1368
01:05:43,230 --> 01:05:40,930
lot we can do with investigating that

1369
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:43,240
case now other than to piece some of the

1370
01:05:47,580 --> 01:05:45,490
puzzle pieces together but we'd love to

1371
01:05:49,710 --> 01:05:47,590
get their sighting reports and even if

1372
01:05:53,280 --> 01:05:49,720
it's only just for information only

1373
01:05:54,720 --> 01:05:53,290
purposes it's just you know seriously a

1374
01:05:57,540 --> 01:05:54,730
piece of the puzzle that we would love

1375
01:06:00,090 --> 01:05:57,550
to have so we welcome all of that Stacey

1376
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:00,100
Frank here interrupting as always were

1377
01:06:03,960 --> 01:06:02,170
you living in the Phoenix area when this

1378
01:06:07,230 --> 01:06:03,970
case happened and did you get a look at

1379
01:06:09,720 --> 01:06:07,240
it yourself you know I was living here

1380
01:06:11,850 --> 01:06:09,730
at the time but I did not see it I

1381
01:06:14,130 --> 01:06:11,860
wasn't really involved in the whole UFO

1382
01:06:17,300 --> 01:06:14,140
thing back then but I was always very

1383
01:06:20,070 --> 01:06:17,310
involved with you know astronomy so I

1384
01:06:36,750 --> 01:06:20,080
often looked up at the sky but that

1385
01:06:40,530 --> 01:06:36,760
night wasn't one of them so had no idea

1386
01:06:42,390 --> 01:06:40,540
what it was incredible yeah wasn't

1387
01:06:44,610 --> 01:06:42,400
wanted to also bring up a few things

1388
01:06:48,030 --> 01:06:44,620
that are really important regarding this

1389
01:06:52,510 --> 01:06:48,040
mass massive Arizona flyover event that

1390
01:06:55,030 --> 01:06:52,520
happened and that is once a month

1391
01:06:57,390 --> 01:06:55,040
on average a witness comes forward with

1392
01:06:59,440 --> 01:06:57,400
the courage to share their sighting

1393
01:07:02,320 --> 01:06:59,450
wanted to talk about that but I would

1394
01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:02,330
also like to add really important data

1395
01:07:10,740 --> 01:07:05,690
to that and that is Cheryl Costa who is

1396
01:07:14,859 --> 01:07:10,750
a UFO data gatherer so to speak she's a

1397
01:07:18,370 --> 01:07:14,869
statistics from different UFO data bases

1398
01:07:20,680 --> 01:07:18,380
around the country she reported that

1399
01:07:22,600 --> 01:07:20,690
Arizona is number one regarding

1400
01:07:24,390 --> 01:07:22,610
sightings in the United States does that

1401
01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:24,400
surprise you

1402
01:07:30,820 --> 01:07:28,970
um you know he does some amazing work in

1403
01:07:33,340 --> 01:07:30,830
collecting all of this data that she has

1404
01:07:36,190 --> 01:07:33,350
and so when she told us about this maybe

1405
01:07:37,690 --> 01:07:36,200
about a year ago I was really surprised

1406
01:07:39,340 --> 01:07:37,700
and then I noticed that just a couple

1407
01:07:41,740 --> 01:07:39,350
weeks ago she did put up more

1408
01:07:44,080 --> 01:07:41,750
information there that said is that

1409
01:07:47,280 --> 01:07:44,090
Phoenix Arizona is the number one u.s.

1410
01:07:49,780 --> 01:07:47,290
city for UFO sighting reports and uh

1411
01:07:51,670 --> 01:07:49,790
that's cool we would actually got Cheryl

1412
01:07:54,130 --> 01:07:51,680
Koster coming in to speak with us on May

1413
01:07:56,590 --> 01:07:54,140
11th at a Phoenix MUFON meeting so

1414
01:07:59,290 --> 01:07:56,600
that's looking hearing a lot more about

1415
01:08:01,870 --> 01:07:59,300
how she gets this data and how she ties

1416
01:08:04,390 --> 01:08:01,880
all this them together yes and I think

1417
01:08:05,890 --> 01:08:04,400
it's also important you know to go from

1418
01:08:08,770 --> 01:08:05,900
the numbers which can become very

1419
01:08:10,780 --> 01:08:08,780
impersonal but it is important of course

1420
01:08:13,330 --> 01:08:10,790
we want to know the data that's critical

1421
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:13,340
but then bring it down to a person level

1422
01:08:19,930 --> 01:08:16,730
and that is how courageous these folks

1423
01:08:21,610 --> 01:08:19,940
are to go to MUFON to share their siding

1424
01:08:31,690 --> 01:08:21,620
with you can you share a little bit

1425
01:08:33,789 --> 01:08:31,700
about that well right just in general my

1426
01:08:35,740 --> 01:08:33,799
understanding is that it's about once a

1427
01:08:39,309 --> 01:08:35,750
month on average a witness comes to talk

1428
01:08:42,130 --> 01:08:39,319
to to report a sighting to MUFON has

1429
01:08:44,920 --> 01:08:42,140
that always been the case or did that

1430
01:08:49,329 --> 01:08:44,930
pick up after this Mass Arizona flyover

1431
01:08:51,730 --> 01:08:49,339
event happened well we do get about

1432
01:08:54,130 --> 01:08:51,740
probably one person month yes it does

1433
01:08:55,809 --> 01:08:54,140
come up to us and says you know I I want

1434
01:08:58,539 --> 01:08:55,819
to tell you about my sighting that I had

1435
01:09:00,249 --> 01:08:58,549
during the Phoenix lights event so we'd

1436
01:09:03,130 --> 01:09:00,259
love to hear this stephanie's people

1437
01:09:05,410 --> 01:09:03,140
like I said earlier the weekend you know

1438
01:09:06,009 --> 01:09:05,420
the the sightings run the gamut

1439
01:09:07,329 --> 01:09:06,019
I mean you

1440
01:09:09,939 --> 01:09:07,339
wouldn't believe all the stuff that

1441
01:09:12,370 --> 01:09:09,949
people are seeing and experiencing and

1442
01:09:13,930 --> 01:09:12,380
yes it is very brave of some of them to

1443
01:09:15,999 --> 01:09:13,940
come forward and tell us you know

1444
01:09:18,519 --> 01:09:16,009
because these things you know when a

1445
01:09:21,549 --> 01:09:18,529
person has an experience at the UFO it

1446
01:09:23,979 --> 01:09:21,559
rocks their world so it's a

1447
01:09:26,529 --> 01:09:23,989
life-changing event and we want to be

1448
01:09:29,289 --> 01:09:26,539
there to take down their information we

1449
01:09:31,209 --> 01:09:29,299
actually have counselors that work with

1450
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:31,219
the experiencers if they need someone

1451
01:09:34,899 --> 01:09:33,650
like that to talk to so we try to really

1452
01:09:36,489 --> 01:09:34,909
you know take care of the people that

1453
01:09:38,499 --> 01:09:36,499
come forward because this is a very

1454
01:09:41,499 --> 01:09:38,509
personal life-changing event for

1455
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:41,509
everyone and you know we got to take

1456
01:09:45,669 --> 01:09:42,799
care of these people these are our

1457
01:09:48,609 --> 01:09:45,679
people of tomorrow and so we give them a

1458
01:09:52,599 --> 01:09:48,619
lot of respect I also wanted to mention

1459
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:52,609
a few things and that is there was a

1460
01:09:58,750 --> 01:09:56,690
very interesting anecdotal story that at

1461
01:10:01,989 --> 01:09:58,760
Sunset Point in Arizona

1462
01:10:06,850 --> 01:10:01,999
tons of people saw a giant v-shaped

1463
01:10:09,060 --> 01:10:06,860
craft fly over the canyon at dusk can

1464
01:10:11,470 --> 01:10:09,070
you share a little bit about that story

1465
01:10:14,680 --> 01:10:11,480
yeah well we've heard this from a few

1466
01:10:16,419 --> 01:10:14,690
people over the years and there's a

1467
01:10:18,430 --> 01:10:16,429
stretch at about a hundred and fifty

1468
01:10:20,470 --> 01:10:18,440
miles in between Phoenix and Flagstaff

1469
01:10:22,270 --> 01:10:20,480
which is straight north of us there's a

1470
01:10:25,180 --> 01:10:22,280
big interstate that goes up there called

1471
01:10:28,239 --> 01:10:25,190
i-17 and about in the middle of there is

1472
01:10:30,790 --> 01:10:28,249
a big nice beautiful rest area called

1473
01:10:32,890 --> 01:10:30,800
Sunset Point and on the west side of

1474
01:10:34,989 --> 01:10:32,900
Sunset Point is a big Canyon that runs

1475
01:10:38,020 --> 01:10:34,999
right down over the edge of the bluffs

1476
01:10:39,580 --> 01:10:38,030
there it's beautiful very scenic so the

1477
01:10:42,729 --> 01:10:39,590
place where they have the rest stop is

1478
01:10:46,720 --> 01:10:42,739
just perfect it's huge the the parking

1479
01:10:48,910 --> 01:10:46,730
lot there probably holds 150 or 200 cars

1480
01:10:52,029 --> 01:10:48,920
at a time and it's always a busy place

1481
01:10:54,910 --> 01:10:52,039
so I guess on the early evening of March

1482
01:10:56,709 --> 01:10:54,920
13th 1997 there were so many people

1483
01:10:58,660 --> 01:10:56,719
going back and forth on the freeway

1484
01:11:00,609 --> 01:10:58,670
there a lot of them stopped at the rest

1485
01:11:05,319 --> 01:11:00,619
area a lot of them just traveling along

1486
01:11:07,839 --> 01:11:05,329
busy I set I 17 and this v-shaped craft

1487
01:11:11,620 --> 01:11:07,849
which was the one that was reported

1488
01:11:15,459 --> 01:11:11,630
mostly during the massive Arizona UFO

1489
01:11:17,020 --> 01:11:15,469
flyover just cruised right alongside the

1490
01:11:19,750 --> 01:11:17,030
road there right over the top of this

1491
01:11:23,220 --> 01:11:19,760
Canyon putting on a show

1492
01:11:26,350 --> 01:11:23,230
silently floating along very slowly and

1493
01:11:27,879 --> 01:11:26,360
tons of people saw this and from what I

1494
01:11:29,589 --> 01:11:27,889
understand they all just stood there

1495
01:11:31,629 --> 01:11:29,599
with their mouths open

1496
01:11:33,490 --> 01:11:31,639
you know just watching this thing fly by

1497
01:11:37,509 --> 01:11:33,500
and it was heading south right toward

1498
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:37,519
Phoenix so the crazy thing is there's

1499
01:11:42,640 --> 01:11:40,730
there wasn't one single sighting of one

1500
01:11:44,950 --> 01:11:42,650
craft that happened there was actually

1501
01:11:47,709 --> 01:11:44,960
seven or eight craft throughout the

1502
01:11:50,080 --> 01:11:47,719
whole state of Arizona that traversed

1503
01:11:51,910 --> 01:11:50,090
all parts of it the one that you hear

1504
01:11:54,250 --> 01:11:51,920
the most about is the one that of course

1505
01:11:56,290 --> 01:11:54,260
came from our very northwest corner and

1506
01:11:59,200 --> 01:11:56,300
went all the way through the state and

1507
01:12:01,750 --> 01:11:59,210
across the border into Mexico so we've

1508
01:12:04,450 --> 01:12:01,760
heard from a lot of people saying well

1509
01:12:07,299 --> 01:12:04,460
you know area 51 is right up there it

1510
01:12:09,279 --> 01:12:07,309
came from the Las Vegas kind of area so

1511
01:12:12,370 --> 01:12:09,289
it probably was something that came from

1512
01:12:14,649 --> 01:12:12,380
area 51 don't you think but when you

1513
01:12:17,169 --> 01:12:14,659
think of the sheer size of just as one

1514
01:12:18,939 --> 01:12:17,179
craft that people were describing if

1515
01:12:22,089 --> 01:12:18,949
this was something that the military had

1516
01:12:23,919 --> 01:12:22,099
hidden up there super-secret why would

1517
01:12:26,379 --> 01:12:23,929
they then fly this thing right over the

1518
01:12:29,200 --> 01:12:26,389
top of a major metropolitan area like

1519
01:12:32,620 --> 01:12:29,210
Phoenix for everyone to see okay right

1520
01:12:36,459 --> 01:12:32,630
and if it wasn't one of ours it was one

1521
01:12:38,799 --> 01:12:36,469
of them extraterrestrial origin coming

1522
01:12:39,970 --> 01:12:38,809
from the same area up there people are

1523
01:12:43,060 --> 01:12:39,980
still saying well it could have still

1524
01:12:44,830 --> 01:12:43,070
gotten you know out of area 51 so I have

1525
01:12:46,779 --> 01:12:44,840
to just wonder well what did it get

1526
01:12:48,669 --> 01:12:46,789
loose you know did it get loose and then

1527
01:12:52,689 --> 01:12:48,679
it just decided to parade itself over

1528
01:12:54,939 --> 01:12:52,699
this Mesa but it certainly put on a show

1529
01:12:56,319 --> 01:12:54,949
that's for sure I mean it wasn't just

1530
01:12:59,229 --> 01:12:56,329
hundreds of people that witnessed this

1531
01:13:02,529 --> 01:12:59,239
it was tens of thousands of people that

1532
01:13:04,799 --> 01:13:02,539
witnessed this sighting I wanted to

1533
01:13:08,859 --> 01:13:04,809
mention also the Native American

1534
01:13:12,209 --> 01:13:08,869
perspective and information gathering on

1535
01:13:14,649 --> 01:13:12,219
this topic Native Americans have

1536
01:13:17,259 --> 01:13:14,659
reported when they felt comfortable to

1537
01:13:19,569 --> 01:13:17,269
do so because my understanding according

1538
01:13:22,029 --> 01:13:19,579
to John John Dover and other Native

1539
01:13:25,060 --> 01:13:22,039
Americans they don't really care to talk

1540
01:13:28,990 --> 01:13:25,070
about this topic too much that they've

1541
01:13:30,549 --> 01:13:29,000
seen this craft for centuries do you

1542
01:13:33,530 --> 01:13:30,559
have anything to share with us on that

1543
01:13:35,870 --> 01:13:33,540
topic well we've talked to them

1544
01:13:37,760 --> 01:13:35,880
on numerous occasions and we've been up

1545
01:13:39,830 --> 01:13:37,770
on the land with the Navajo Rangers and

1546
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:39,840
had just some really wonderful special

1547
01:13:44,300 --> 01:13:41,970
times up there meeting some of the

1548
01:13:46,280 --> 01:13:44,310
people that lived there but yeah they

1549
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:46,290
have stuff happening all the time this

1550
01:13:49,790 --> 01:13:48,810
is nothing new to them they simply don't

1551
01:13:51,590 --> 01:13:49,800
talk about it

1552
01:13:53,900 --> 01:13:51,600
okay cuz once they start talking about

1553
01:13:57,320 --> 01:13:53,910
stuff then the people come pouring in

1554
01:13:59,390 --> 01:13:57,330
and that's not what they want so you

1555
01:14:02,690 --> 01:13:59,400
know the the events leading up to the

1556
01:14:06,080 --> 01:14:02,700
Phoenix lights in 97 for a couple of

1557
01:14:07,940 --> 01:14:06,090
days before that March 13th date there

1558
01:14:10,160 --> 01:14:07,950
was things buzzing around some of the

1559
01:14:11,660 --> 01:14:10,170
big valleys up there just like circling

1560
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:11,670
the valley that people were coming out

1561
01:14:16,550 --> 01:14:13,650
with their lawn chairs their ice chests

1562
01:14:18,140 --> 01:14:16,560
this is just a nightly show so they're

1563
01:14:20,720 --> 01:14:18,150
just coming out to watch the show every

1564
01:14:22,340 --> 01:14:20,730
night so then when they heard that the

1565
01:14:25,250 --> 01:14:22,350
big sighting happened down there in the

1566
01:14:27,260 --> 01:14:25,260
city it really wasn't anything new to

1567
01:14:28,640 --> 01:14:27,270
them you know it kind of surprises them

1568
01:14:31,070 --> 01:14:28,650
I think that we're making such a big

1569
01:14:34,040 --> 01:14:31,080
deal about it when they witness this all

1570
01:14:37,460 --> 01:14:34,050
the time so it's just really interesting

1571
01:14:40,660 --> 01:14:37,470
to get their take on it yeah John Dover

1572
01:14:47,030 --> 01:14:40,670
was also mentioning how in Window Rock

1573
01:14:50,570 --> 01:14:47,040
he had information that Green Berets and

1574
01:14:54,560 --> 01:14:50,580
Navy SEALs and other government related

1575
01:15:00,320 --> 01:14:54,570
intelligence folks were actually going

1576
01:15:02,810 --> 01:15:00,330
out there to try and witness anomalous

1577
01:15:05,150 --> 01:15:02,820
objects in the sky extraterrestrial

1578
01:15:08,240 --> 01:15:05,160
craft in other words whereas their aim

1579
01:15:10,580 --> 01:15:08,250
and that they had de meaning himself and

1580
01:15:13,520 --> 01:15:10,590
possibly others I had gathered evidence

1581
01:15:15,220 --> 01:15:13,530
of that does it surprise you that the

1582
01:15:17,810 --> 01:15:15,230
government would try and gather

1583
01:15:19,550 --> 01:15:17,820
information on this topic and do you

1584
01:15:23,540 --> 01:15:19,560
believe they actually do that to this

1585
01:15:25,310 --> 01:15:23,550
day uh yeah I do believe they actually

1586
01:15:28,400 --> 01:15:25,320
do that to this day I know that there

1587
01:15:30,560 --> 01:15:28,410
was some information that had been

1588
01:15:34,910 --> 01:15:30,570
gathered up there on the Navajo

1589
01:15:37,670 --> 01:15:34,920
reservation maybe ten or twelve years

1590
01:15:40,010 --> 01:15:37,680
ago there was a lot of Bigelow's group

1591
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:40,020
up there with the mids organization

1592
01:15:44,090 --> 01:15:41,970
which is the National Institute for

1593
01:15:45,650 --> 01:15:44,100
discovery sciences I know they were up

1594
01:15:47,030 --> 01:15:45,660
there trying to get some information

1595
01:15:49,550 --> 01:15:47,040
from people

1596
01:15:51,680 --> 01:15:49,560
there was also a couple of men up there

1597
01:15:54,470 --> 01:15:51,690
that were posing as MUFON field

1598
01:15:55,940 --> 01:15:54,480
investigators and trying to get

1599
01:15:58,070 --> 01:15:55,950
information from them

1600
01:16:00,320 --> 01:15:58,080
one gentleman up there actually gave

1601
01:16:02,510 --> 01:16:00,330
them a tape that had some video

1602
01:16:06,350 --> 01:16:02,520
recordings of some of the sightings up

1603
01:16:07,610 --> 01:16:06,360
there and never got it back they said oh

1604
01:16:08,930 --> 01:16:07,620
yeah we're just gonna borrow it you know

1605
01:16:10,550 --> 01:16:08,940
we'll make sure we get this back to you

1606
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:10,560
and never heard a word from them

1607
01:16:15,170 --> 01:16:13,050
they contacted MUFON try to find out

1608
01:16:18,200 --> 01:16:15,180
what happened to their their tape of

1609
01:16:20,060 --> 01:16:18,210
evidence and it was someone just posing

1610
01:16:22,580 --> 01:16:20,070
as a MUFON field investigator to try to

1611
01:16:23,660 --> 01:16:22,590
get this from them so I can see that

1612
01:16:25,190 --> 01:16:23,670
they probably don't have a real good

1613
01:16:27,140 --> 01:16:25,200
taste in their mouth right now for

1614
01:16:29,690 --> 01:16:27,150
people posing as field investigators up

1615
01:16:31,640 --> 01:16:29,700
there so we have to be super careful and

1616
01:16:32,170 --> 01:16:31,650
very respectful when we do go talk to

1617
01:16:34,630 --> 01:16:32,180
them

1618
01:16:38,330 --> 01:16:34,640
there's cave paintings that go back

1619
01:16:41,270 --> 01:16:38,340
thousands of years that reveal possible

1620
01:16:45,140 --> 01:16:41,280
extraterrestrial intelligence visiting

1621
01:16:48,470 --> 01:16:45,150
our planet on the walls of caves all

1622
01:16:51,290 --> 01:16:48,480
around the world and the craft that they

1623
01:16:54,740 --> 01:16:51,300
might travel in how do you feel about

1624
01:16:58,490 --> 01:16:54,750
the possibility that et civilizations

1625
01:17:01,550 --> 01:16:58,500
may be traveling back and forth possibly

1626
01:17:06,560 --> 01:17:01,560
and probably interstellar to this planet

1627
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:06,570
on a regular I feel very strongly that

1628
01:17:12,620 --> 01:17:10,320
that is probably the case yes you know

1629
01:17:14,030 --> 01:17:12,630
if you go back and you you do your

1630
01:17:15,860 --> 01:17:14,040
studying and you look at your history

1631
01:17:18,290 --> 01:17:15,870
and you look at your archaeology and you

1632
01:17:19,960 --> 01:17:18,300
really dig deep in your research you're

1633
01:17:22,910 --> 01:17:19,970
gonna come across the Sumerian tablets

1634
01:17:25,130 --> 01:17:22,920
okay you start researching some of that

1635
01:17:28,310 --> 01:17:25,140
stuff and you find out when this was

1636
01:17:29,780 --> 01:17:28,320
written who it was written by what the

1637
01:17:31,540 --> 01:17:29,790
stories are telling on those clay

1638
01:17:34,729 --> 01:17:31,550
tablets and you're gonna find out that

1639
01:17:37,370 --> 01:17:34,739
we've not been told really the truth of

1640
01:17:39,320 --> 01:17:37,380
things and there's a lot of stuff we

1641
01:17:41,840 --> 01:17:39,330
have yet to uncover there's a lot of

1642
01:17:45,140 --> 01:17:41,850
things we have yet to disclose maybe a

1643
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:45,150
few things who've been lied about it's

1644
01:17:48,260 --> 01:17:46,890
really kind of scary when you really go

1645
01:17:52,490 --> 01:17:48,270
back and look at the history of this

1646
01:17:54,650 --> 01:17:52,500
world as we know it well I think no yeah

1647
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:54,660
I think I've even extraterrestrials are

1648
01:17:58,580 --> 01:17:56,610
absolutely coming back and visiting

1649
01:18:00,890 --> 01:17:58,590
maybe checking on us monitoring some

1650
01:18:02,510 --> 01:18:00,900
things I think we are probably

1651
01:18:05,560 --> 01:18:02,520
pretty good project to them at this

1652
01:18:07,820 --> 01:18:05,570
point no I agree with you on that

1653
01:18:09,970 --> 01:18:07,830
comprehending just how much we don't

1654
01:18:12,500 --> 01:18:09,980
know regarding what you just said I

1655
01:18:15,530 --> 01:18:12,510
wholeheartedly agree with you I wanted a

1656
01:18:18,500 --> 01:18:15,540
Shane Hurd field investigator for

1657
01:18:21,770 --> 01:18:18,510
Phoenix and move on a few questions and

1658
01:18:24,439 --> 01:18:21,780
that is why in the face of evidence

1659
01:18:25,490 --> 01:18:24,449
I'm not saying proof evidence and I say

1660
01:18:27,709 --> 01:18:25,500
it to you in that way because you're an

1661
01:18:30,770 --> 01:18:27,719
investigator you know the difference do

1662
01:18:32,050 --> 01:18:30,780
people still deny so strongly the

1663
01:18:36,010 --> 01:18:32,060
possibility of extraterrestrial

1664
01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:36,020
civilization visitation to this planet

1665
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:39,810
yeah I mean I think a lot of people do

1666
01:18:45,020 --> 01:18:42,570
that and it it because it messes with

1667
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:45,030
their worldview it might be you know

1668
01:18:51,649 --> 01:18:48,330
religious ideas or you know scientific

1669
01:18:53,899 --> 01:18:51,659
ideas whatever it is that that you know

1670
01:18:57,070 --> 01:18:53,909
like Stacey said rocks their world and

1671
01:18:59,540 --> 01:18:57,080
so some people just can't accept it but

1672
01:19:02,540 --> 01:18:59,550
you know there are a whole lot of people

1673
01:19:04,700 --> 01:19:02,550
now that are accepting of it because

1674
01:19:06,950 --> 01:19:04,710
many people are having experiences and

1675
01:19:09,979 --> 01:19:06,960
you know it's it's like the James Fox

1676
01:19:12,560 --> 01:19:09,989
movie I know what I saw right you know

1677
01:19:15,880 --> 01:19:12,570
and you can't deny that so more and more

1678
01:19:18,620 --> 01:19:15,890
people are becoming used to the idea and

1679
01:19:21,200 --> 01:19:18,630
accepting and I think it's making our

1680
01:19:24,649 --> 01:19:21,210
job a bit easier that you can get that

1681
01:19:28,580 --> 01:19:24,659
information there's a lot of talk about

1682
01:19:31,790 --> 01:19:28,590
grey aliens that's a really popular

1683
01:19:34,729 --> 01:19:31,800
topic on social media regarding the

1684
01:19:36,770 --> 01:19:34,739
domain of UF ology have you ever come

1685
01:19:41,750 --> 01:19:36,780
across anyone Shane that has told you

1686
01:19:43,700 --> 01:19:41,760
they feel they have had information on

1687
01:19:49,310 --> 01:19:43,710
gray aliens or they've witnessed them or

1688
01:19:53,680 --> 01:19:49,320
any experiences regarding that actually

1689
01:19:59,930 --> 01:19:53,690
we Stasi myself actually had a couple

1690
01:20:03,950 --> 01:19:59,940
abduction cases and in in each of those

1691
01:20:06,790 --> 01:20:03,960
cases yes people saw either greys and in

1692
01:20:10,850 --> 01:20:06,800
fact in one case that claim to see

1693
01:20:12,890 --> 01:20:10,860
reptilian and again we're not being

1694
01:20:14,180 --> 01:20:12,900
judgemental whether they you know it

1695
01:20:17,870 --> 01:20:14,190
actually occurred

1696
01:20:20,020 --> 01:20:17,880
but the fact is is people are seeing

1697
01:20:23,990 --> 01:20:20,030
something they are having experiences

1698
01:20:25,400 --> 01:20:24,000
and it's a it takes a lot of courage to

1699
01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:25,410
come forward and tell somebody something

1700
01:20:31,070 --> 01:20:28,650
like that so that's why we're you know

1701
01:20:33,170 --> 01:20:31,080
very careful to handle those cases well

1702
01:20:35,840 --> 01:20:33,180
we make sure that those people are

1703
01:20:39,080 --> 01:20:35,850
respected and that we do our best as

1704
01:20:42,200 --> 01:20:39,090
investigators to treat that evidence

1705
01:20:44,800 --> 01:20:42,210
with respect and dignity and you know

1706
01:20:47,630 --> 01:20:44,810
and do our best to resolve that case

1707
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:47,640
recently there's been a lot of talk

1708
01:20:52,970 --> 01:20:49,770
about a hot-button topic called

1709
01:20:56,870 --> 01:20:52,980
metamaterials also known as exotic

1710
01:20:59,810 --> 01:20:56,880
alloys or exotic materials rumor went

1711
01:21:03,830 --> 01:20:59,820
around Bigelow had stored this kind of

1712
01:21:07,790 --> 01:21:03,840
material for the government and also to

1713
01:21:10,310 --> 01:21:07,800
the Stars Academy T TSA said that with

1714
01:21:16,520 --> 01:21:10,320
their atom project that they are in

1715
01:21:18,140 --> 01:21:16,530
possession of UAP fragments that Luisa

1716
01:21:21,710 --> 01:21:18,150
Lozano recently just did a conference

1717
01:21:24,380 --> 01:21:21,720
that I think was the SCU conference is

1718
01:21:28,220 --> 01:21:24,390
what it was called and he said that TSA

1719
01:21:31,280 --> 01:21:28,230
had meta materials that had

1720
01:21:35,270 --> 01:21:31,290
extraordinary properties regarding meta

1721
01:21:37,640 --> 01:21:35,280
materials or material that has strange

1722
01:21:39,650 --> 01:21:37,650
properties to it what do you think these

1723
01:21:41,930 --> 01:21:39,660
crafts are made of that seems to be a

1724
01:21:48,200 --> 01:21:41,940
hot topic this year regarding strange

1725
01:21:53,360 --> 01:21:48,210
materials meta materials is that for me

1726
01:21:55,670 --> 01:21:53,370
sure I don't have any direct knowledge

1727
01:21:57,200 --> 01:21:55,680
of it other than you know when that New

1728
01:21:59,330 --> 01:21:57,210
York Times story came out and they

1729
01:22:02,120 --> 01:21:59,340
mentioned the fact that they had you

1730
01:22:03,950 --> 01:22:02,130
know meta materials the first thing I

1731
01:22:06,590 --> 01:22:03,960
thought about was well where did you get

1732
01:22:09,830 --> 01:22:06,600
them how did you know that the the

1733
01:22:11,810 --> 01:22:09,840
source wasn't conventional and so I mean

1734
01:22:15,350 --> 01:22:11,820
there's a big gap in the knowledge there

1735
01:22:18,020 --> 01:22:15,360
to make any kind of decision on it but

1736
01:22:21,080 --> 01:22:18,030
definitely from a scientific standpoint

1737
01:22:23,600 --> 01:22:21,090
if there are materials and and remember

1738
01:22:27,160 --> 01:22:23,610
material science is a really big deal

1739
01:22:29,109 --> 01:22:27,170
for humans right now

1740
01:22:30,700 --> 01:22:29,119
the properties of these materials can

1741
01:22:33,549 --> 01:22:30,710
help us achieve things that we're never

1742
01:22:35,740 --> 01:22:33,559
really possible before so you know I do

1743
01:22:38,700 --> 01:22:35,750
understand why that's an exciting fine

1744
01:22:41,950 --> 01:22:38,710
for them and I guess time will tell

1745
01:22:44,049 --> 01:22:41,960
based on the results that hopefully

1746
01:22:46,240 --> 01:22:44,059
we'll get published that will help us

1747
01:22:48,060 --> 01:22:46,250
understand really what these materials

1748
01:22:51,310 --> 01:22:48,070
are where they came from

1749
01:22:54,879 --> 01:22:51,320
hey I just to jump in really quick for

1750
01:22:57,580 --> 01:22:54,889
Stacy or Shane have you ever have you

1751
01:22:59,589 --> 01:22:57,590
heard of any one claiming or anything

1752
01:23:01,780 --> 01:22:59,599
along those lines to have picked up any

1753
01:23:03,640 --> 01:23:01,790
kind of fragments resulting from this

1754
01:23:06,669 --> 01:23:03,650
case any kind of like something dropping

1755
01:23:09,010 --> 01:23:06,679
off something excreting those types of

1756
01:23:11,319 --> 01:23:09,020
cases do exist I was wondering if

1757
01:23:13,419 --> 01:23:11,329
there's any instance of anyone claiming

1758
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:13,429
anything like that related to this case

1759
01:23:19,930 --> 01:23:17,449
this Phoenix lights case I don't think

1760
01:23:22,359 --> 01:23:19,940
I've heard of anyone that saw anything

1761
01:23:24,250 --> 01:23:22,369
dropped or yeah I've never heard of any

1762
01:23:28,479 --> 01:23:24,260
material that drops from any of these

1763
01:23:31,149 --> 01:23:28,489
craft that came over back in 97 I think

1764
01:23:35,680 --> 01:23:31,159
the only thing that really hit the

1765
01:23:38,979 --> 01:23:35,690
people at the time was a sense of calm I

1766
01:23:40,390 --> 01:23:38,989
know that's been kind of a common thread

1767
01:23:42,399 --> 01:23:40,400
through a lot of the stories that I've

1768
01:23:44,979 --> 01:23:42,409
heard from the Phoenix lights witnesses

1769
01:23:48,189 --> 01:23:44,989
and that they were given just kind of a

1770
01:23:52,020 --> 01:23:48,199
calming effect there was one gentleman

1771
01:23:55,240 --> 01:23:52,030
who was told don't be scared just watch

1772
01:23:57,700 --> 01:23:55,250
okay that was the message that he got so

1773
01:23:59,740 --> 01:23:57,710
there was nothing malevolent going on

1774
01:24:01,930 --> 01:23:59,750
here everyone seemed to have reported

1775
01:24:04,870 --> 01:24:01,940
that it was a calming effect that it was

1776
01:24:06,339 --> 01:24:04,880
you know everything seems great and they

1777
01:24:09,549 --> 01:24:06,349
knew that they were not in any danger

1778
01:24:11,500 --> 01:24:09,559
and they were not fearful so that's

1779
01:24:13,479 --> 01:24:11,510
pretty cool for tens of thousands of

1780
01:24:15,549 --> 01:24:13,489
people to all have gotten that same

1781
01:24:18,970 --> 01:24:15,559
feeling about this that there was

1782
01:24:21,280 --> 01:24:18,980
nothing scary or harmful about it so I

1783
01:24:25,569 --> 01:24:21,290
think they were just dropped it's a

1784
01:24:27,220 --> 01:24:25,579
little bit of love I'm not sure yeah I'm

1785
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:27,230
glad you brought that up because happy

1786
01:24:33,310 --> 01:24:29,210
year prior Independence Day came out

1787
01:24:35,890 --> 01:24:33,320
with that incredibly massive ship that

1788
01:24:40,030 --> 01:24:35,900
we all remember today from the movie

1789
01:24:40,870 --> 01:24:40,040
flying over the world and according to

1790
01:24:44,590 --> 01:24:40,880
dr. Keith

1791
01:24:48,010 --> 01:24:44,600
and others there were kids when they saw

1792
01:24:50,950 --> 01:24:48,020
this massive v-shaped craft flying over

1793
01:24:54,910 --> 01:24:50,960
the skies of Arizona they lifted their

1794
01:24:58,110 --> 01:24:54,920
hands to wave at it and they felt a

1795
01:25:01,510 --> 01:24:58,120
sense of happiness when they sawed and

1796
01:25:04,570 --> 01:25:01,520
Shane I wanted to ask you you know there

1797
01:25:07,000 --> 01:25:04,580
seems to be a lot of strangeness

1798
01:25:09,370 --> 01:25:07,010
regarding this topic of crafts in the

1799
01:25:13,450 --> 01:25:09,380
sky people get scared why do you think

1800
01:25:15,729 --> 01:25:13,460
children would be so accepting yeah I

1801
01:25:17,890 --> 01:25:15,739
guess they just they're they are more

1802
01:25:19,870 --> 01:25:17,900
open-minded and I mean kids you know

1803
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:19,880
kids are more easily scared I would say

1804
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:22,130
because you know fear is really a

1805
01:25:26,770 --> 01:25:24,170
product of just a lack of knowledge or

1806
01:25:30,490 --> 01:25:26,780
understanding what's happening and it's

1807
01:25:31,810 --> 01:25:30,500
our survival instinct so but but kids on

1808
01:25:33,790 --> 01:25:31,820
the other hand they're pretty

1809
01:25:35,709 --> 01:25:33,800
open-minded and they're accepting a

1810
01:25:37,629 --> 01:25:35,719
little that they see so I think that

1811
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:37,639
probably explains some of it just the

1812
01:25:43,149 --> 01:25:39,650
nature of a child versus that of an

1813
01:25:45,370 --> 01:25:43,159
adult fantastic and then lastly I just

1814
01:25:46,540 --> 01:25:45,380
wanted and I also wanted ask Frank if

1815
01:25:49,689 --> 01:25:46,550
you had any questions but the last

1816
01:25:52,479 --> 01:25:49,699
question I have is alien technology I

1817
01:25:56,550 --> 01:25:52,489
believe personally they are millions of

1818
01:25:59,260 --> 01:25:56,560
years eons ahead of us technology wise

1819
01:26:01,510 --> 01:25:59,270
my statements a little complex I'll just

1820
01:26:04,810 --> 01:26:01,520
go ahead and talk I spoke to a few

1821
01:26:07,240 --> 01:26:04,820
hunters recently about the topic of us

1822
01:26:10,600 --> 01:26:07,250
follow G extraterrestrials if they land

1823
01:26:14,050 --> 01:26:10,610
would they grab their weapons and every

1824
01:26:16,090 --> 01:26:14,060
single one of them said no why if

1825
01:26:19,060 --> 01:26:16,100
they're that far ahead of us what's the

1826
01:26:22,390 --> 01:26:19,070
point do you have anything to share

1827
01:26:28,270 --> 01:26:22,400
about that perspective anybody you know

1828
01:26:30,850 --> 01:26:28,280
if you want to jump in well I guess I

1829
01:26:33,910 --> 01:26:30,860
would agree with that that you know

1830
01:26:36,879 --> 01:26:33,920
again if if in that moment you you're

1831
01:26:38,770 --> 01:26:36,889
not terrified which really the evidence

1832
01:26:41,830 --> 01:26:38,780
is starting to indicate that people

1833
01:26:45,700 --> 01:26:41,840
aren't necessarily going to be terrified

1834
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:45,710
in mass you know why would you arm up I

1835
01:26:53,020 --> 01:26:49,250
mean the the the the capability they

1836
01:26:54,610 --> 01:26:53,030
have is so greater than ours I think

1837
01:26:57,790 --> 01:26:54,620
it's quite obvious no weapon

1838
01:27:00,700 --> 01:26:57,800
would really have an effect and an in

1839
01:27:03,400 --> 01:27:00,710
fact maybe they would even appear like

1840
01:27:06,250 --> 01:27:03,410
magic I mean we may not even understand

1841
01:27:08,140 --> 01:27:06,260
what we're seeing so I think it is

1842
01:27:10,480 --> 01:27:08,150
really interesting that like Stacey

1843
01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:10,490
mentioned that in the Phoenix lights

1844
01:27:17,800 --> 01:27:14,690
incident almost every witness to a

1845
01:27:18,790 --> 01:27:17,810
person said they stood there in awe and

1846
01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:18,800
Wonder

1847
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:22,130
that was their feeling it wasn't fear

1848
01:27:27,010 --> 01:27:24,770
and running and hiding everybody just

1849
01:27:29,050 --> 01:27:27,020
stood there mouths dropped and looked

1850
01:27:30,490 --> 01:27:29,060
and had a sense of wonder so you know

1851
01:27:31,810 --> 01:27:30,500
whether you're a child or an adult you

1852
01:27:34,560 --> 01:27:31,820
see something like that I think that

1853
01:27:37,120 --> 01:27:34,570
really is the more natural reaction

1854
01:27:39,810 --> 01:27:37,130
Stanton Friedman when he was interviewed

1855
01:27:42,970 --> 01:27:39,820
not that long ago he mentioned to the

1856
01:27:46,660 --> 01:27:42,980
talk-show host and that he believes

1857
01:27:49,900 --> 01:27:46,670
consciousness is connected to this topic

1858
01:27:52,630 --> 01:27:49,910
and he believes that telepathy plays a

1859
01:27:54,850 --> 01:27:52,640
big part of it now what is your input on

1860
01:27:58,120 --> 01:27:54,860
that Shane or Stacey regarding a topic

1861
01:28:01,120 --> 01:27:58,130
of consciousness and UFOs UF ology

1862
01:28:04,690 --> 01:28:01,130
rather well I think

1863
01:28:07,270 --> 01:28:04,700
it's getting to be one and the same as

1864
01:28:10,870 --> 01:28:07,280
humans we've always kind of relied on

1865
01:28:13,960 --> 01:28:10,880
the what we find in print I mean like

1866
01:28:15,640 --> 01:28:13,970
our parents generations before them they

1867
01:28:19,960 --> 01:28:15,650
believed everything that they saw in

1868
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:19,970
print it was you know the gospel today I

1869
01:28:24,550 --> 01:28:21,650
think people would question everything

1870
01:28:26,350 --> 01:28:24,560
III know that I don't take any doctor's

1871
01:28:27,880 --> 01:28:26,360
word for anything and I don't take it

1872
01:28:29,370 --> 01:28:27,890
any word for anything that I read on the

1873
01:28:33,100 --> 01:28:29,380
internet without doing my own research

1874
01:28:35,110 --> 01:28:33,110
okay so as you look into more research

1875
01:28:38,530 --> 01:28:35,120
on this you find out that if there is so

1876
01:28:42,090 --> 01:28:38,540
much enter dimensionality to the subject

1877
01:28:46,750 --> 01:28:42,100
that it has to be based on consciousness

1878
01:28:48,880 --> 01:28:46,760
we're just learning how to understand

1879
01:28:51,610 --> 01:28:48,890
telepathy how to understand people that

1880
01:28:53,950 --> 01:28:51,620
have gifts like this instead of calling

1881
01:28:57,910 --> 01:28:53,960
them freaks now we should be calling

1882
01:29:00,760 --> 01:28:57,920
them gifted so you know the the study

1883
01:29:02,680 --> 01:29:00,770
that goes into consciousness is really

1884
01:29:04,660 --> 01:29:02,690
really gaining ground here and there's a

1885
01:29:06,970 --> 01:29:04,670
lot of really good conferences out there

1886
01:29:07,490 --> 01:29:06,980
where people can go and really learn

1887
01:29:09,530 --> 01:29:07,500
about

1888
01:29:11,030 --> 01:29:09,540
what is going on in this field and I

1889
01:29:13,210 --> 01:29:11,040
urge people to look into these

1890
01:29:15,860 --> 01:29:13,220
conferences find out what the theme is

1891
01:29:17,510 --> 01:29:15,870
go see some of these conferences I know

1892
01:29:18,440 --> 01:29:17,520
a really good one if you want to find

1893
01:29:20,840 --> 01:29:18,450
out a little bit more about

1894
01:29:23,120 --> 01:29:20,850
consciousness is Paula Harris's

1895
01:29:25,570 --> 01:29:23,130
Starworks us a conference that she has

1896
01:29:28,340 --> 01:29:25,580
in Laughlin Nevada it'll be in November

1897
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:28,350
but she concentrates on consciousness

1898
01:29:32,900 --> 01:29:30,210
and she brings people in from all over

1899
01:29:35,450 --> 01:29:32,910
the world to try to help you learn and

1900
01:29:37,700 --> 01:29:35,460
help you understand where to look for

1901
01:29:39,740 --> 01:29:37,710
your own research because you've got to

1902
01:29:41,720 --> 01:29:39,750
look for yourself you can't just take

1903
01:29:43,970 --> 01:29:41,730
someone else's word for it you actually

1904
01:29:45,830 --> 01:29:43,980
have to go and do some work do some

1905
01:29:48,950 --> 01:29:45,840
research and find out what resonates

1906
01:29:51,800 --> 01:29:48,960
with you yes we had the privilege of

1907
01:29:53,450 --> 01:29:51,810
interviewing paula harris and that

1908
01:29:56,090 --> 01:29:53,460
conference is a very important one that

1909
01:29:58,130 --> 01:29:56,100
she mentioned she actually shared a lot

1910
01:30:00,560 --> 01:29:58,140
with us about the topic of consciousness

1911
01:30:08,450 --> 01:30:00,570
so I am very grateful that you brought

1912
01:30:11,900 --> 01:30:08,460
her up I think we lost chance there you

1913
01:30:13,610 --> 01:30:11,910
are you're back yep I'm right here thank

1914
01:30:15,350 --> 01:30:13,620
you I will actually wanted to our Shane

1915
01:30:17,960 --> 01:30:15,360
a little bit about consciousness and

1916
01:30:20,930 --> 01:30:17,970
this topic of you apology how does it

1917
01:30:24,260 --> 01:30:20,940
connect for you is it on a level that's

1918
01:30:25,790 --> 01:30:24,270
really personal or do you feel like do

1919
01:30:27,800 --> 01:30:25,800
you have any other data to share with us

1920
01:30:31,850 --> 01:30:27,810
about the consciousness and UF ology

1921
01:30:35,390 --> 01:30:31,860
topic yeah well when I first started I

1922
01:30:36,740 --> 01:30:35,400
absolutely was a nuts and bolts guy it

1923
01:30:39,590 --> 01:30:36,750
was hey what is that

1924
01:30:41,180 --> 01:30:39,600
metallic machine in the air there I want

1925
01:30:42,730 --> 01:30:41,190
to know what it is and why it's here and

1926
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:42,740
whose it is

1927
01:30:49,670 --> 01:30:46,650
however the more you get involved in

1928
01:30:52,250 --> 01:30:49,680
ufology the more research you do you

1929
01:30:55,790 --> 01:30:52,260
begin to learn that it's more than just

1930
01:30:57,890 --> 01:30:55,800
our you know Western materialistic view

1931
01:30:59,780 --> 01:30:57,900
of things where you know it doesn't

1932
01:31:04,670 --> 01:30:59,790
exist unless I can taste touch or feel

1933
01:31:06,980 --> 01:31:04,680
it or whatever and you know if you look

1934
01:31:10,250 --> 01:31:06,990
at the work of people like John Mack and

1935
01:31:14,810 --> 01:31:10,260
and David Jacobs and dealing with people

1936
01:31:17,510 --> 01:31:14,820
who you know have had either were

1937
01:31:20,280 --> 01:31:17,520
abducted or had contact in some way or

1938
01:31:24,500 --> 01:31:20,290
even people who witness

1939
01:31:27,060 --> 01:31:24,510
you know UFO displays let's call them

1940
01:31:29,970 --> 01:31:27,070
people interpret them differently there

1941
01:31:32,820 --> 01:31:29,980
there is clearly something going on on a

1942
01:31:35,850 --> 01:31:32,830
mental or a consciousness level that

1943
01:31:38,130 --> 01:31:35,860
we're not completely grasping and maybe

1944
01:31:41,490 --> 01:31:38,140
this explains sort of the curious nature

1945
01:31:44,460 --> 01:31:41,500
of sightings how sometimes they blink in

1946
01:31:47,460 --> 01:31:44,470
and they blink out you you know it's

1947
01:31:49,140 --> 01:31:47,470
just the high strangeness you know there

1948
01:31:51,530 --> 01:31:49,150
has to be an explanation for the high

1949
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:51,540
strain just let's put it that way so

1950
01:31:58,940 --> 01:31:54,690
this this connection to consciousness

1951
01:32:02,970 --> 01:31:58,950
really seems to be the the more modern

1952
01:32:04,440 --> 01:32:02,980
interpretation of ufology and you know a

1953
01:32:06,270 --> 01:32:04,450
lot of different folks from the

1954
01:32:08,190 --> 01:32:06,280
different camps are coming together on

1955
01:32:10,890 --> 01:32:08,200
that so you know there is clearly

1956
01:32:14,250 --> 01:32:10,900
something going on there on that level

1957
01:32:16,410 --> 01:32:14,260
and maybe it as time goes and we turn

1958
01:32:19,050 --> 01:32:16,420
our attention to that more fully we'll

1959
01:32:21,330 --> 01:32:19,060
be able to understand it better there

1960
01:32:23,400 --> 01:32:21,340
was a few movies I'm sure you saw I

1961
01:32:25,140 --> 01:32:23,410
wanted to mention them and that is Close

1962
01:32:27,390 --> 01:32:25,150
Encounters by Steven Spielberg

1963
01:32:32,700 --> 01:32:27,400
there was also Star Wars where there was

1964
01:32:36,650 --> 01:32:32,710
a moment when one of the folks in the

1965
01:32:40,380 --> 01:32:36,660
movie waved his arm to use telepathy to

1966
01:32:42,510 --> 01:32:40,390
change somebody's mind into allowing

1967
01:32:44,280 --> 01:32:42,520
them to go forward in the movie I'm sure

1968
01:32:47,880 --> 01:32:44,290
everybody is probably screaming out the

1969
01:32:49,740 --> 01:32:47,890
name of that right yes

1970
01:32:53,480 --> 01:32:49,750
and that was a really important point in

1971
01:32:56,520 --> 01:32:53,490
the film there's also et Oh where the

1972
01:32:59,130 --> 01:32:56,530
extra-terrestrial connected with the

1973
01:33:02,210 --> 01:32:59,140
main actor to the point where if he got

1974
01:33:05,970 --> 01:33:02,220
sick the main actor did too these movies

1975
01:33:08,160 --> 01:33:05,980
were produced a long time ago so this

1976
01:33:11,760 --> 01:33:08,170
topic of consciousness has actually been

1977
01:33:14,840 --> 01:33:11,770
a mainstream for a while now Shane when

1978
01:33:18,690 --> 01:33:14,850
you saw those movies did they affect you

1979
01:33:20,550 --> 01:33:18,700
uh not at the time I mean I I mean yeah

1980
01:33:22,260 --> 01:33:20,560
definitely those movies affected me I

1981
01:33:25,440 --> 01:33:22,270
mean I loved them they were you know

1982
01:33:28,350 --> 01:33:25,450
fascinating on it I proud I did not pick

1983
01:33:31,530 --> 01:33:28,360
up on that as as a connection to

1984
01:33:33,410 --> 01:33:31,540
consciousness so much as now looking

1985
01:33:35,990 --> 01:33:33,420
back at it and after

1986
01:33:38,810 --> 01:33:36,000
being involved for a few years yeah that

1987
01:33:40,430 --> 01:33:38,820
that's definitely a big factor wanted to

1988
01:33:44,150 --> 01:33:40,440
bring up one last thing and that is a

1989
01:33:46,459 --> 01:33:44,160
close encounter of ce-5 which is

1990
01:33:48,979 --> 01:33:46,469
classified as human to alien initiated

1991
01:33:51,890 --> 01:33:48,989
communication and that idea being that

1992
01:33:53,720 --> 01:33:51,900
aliens have telepathic abilities and

1993
01:33:56,419 --> 01:33:53,730
they're telepathically relaying messages

1994
01:34:00,740 --> 01:33:56,429
to humans is that accurate or can you

1995
01:34:03,979 --> 01:34:00,750
explain that better Shane sorry about

1996
01:34:06,439 --> 01:34:03,989
that okay no problem I am not terribly

1997
01:34:10,729 --> 01:34:06,449
familiar with the ce-5 protocols but I

1998
01:34:15,680 --> 01:34:10,739
know that you know that it is occurring

1999
01:34:18,560 --> 01:34:15,690
and if it in fact isn't occurring then

2000
01:34:20,660 --> 01:34:18,570
we have to understand an understanding

2001
01:34:24,830 --> 01:34:20,670
of it that you know it's a legitimate

2002
01:34:27,020 --> 01:34:24,840
phenomena and as a result really it

2003
01:34:30,740 --> 01:34:27,030
should be studied net that's the thing

2004
01:34:33,770 --> 01:34:30,750
about all facets of ufology is we really

2005
01:34:34,820 --> 01:34:33,780
need to get a good understanding but to

2006
01:34:37,220 --> 01:34:34,830
do that we need the right people

2007
01:34:39,470 --> 01:34:37,230
studying it and going through the

2008
01:34:42,380 --> 01:34:39,480
scientific process so that we can you

2009
01:34:44,030 --> 01:34:42,390
know properly categorize it and you know

2010
01:34:47,870 --> 01:34:44,040
hopefully apply what we learn to have a

2011
01:34:50,780 --> 01:34:47,880
better understanding even relationship

2012
01:34:52,729 --> 01:34:50,790
with them or you know at least an

2013
01:34:57,050 --> 01:34:52,739
interpretation of what's being presented

2014
01:34:59,240 --> 01:34:57,060
to us I wanted to go ahead and end the

2015
01:35:01,220 --> 01:34:59,250
interview for Shane and states who have

2016
01:35:03,860 --> 01:35:01,230
been so wonderful and allowing the

2017
01:35:05,870 --> 01:35:03,870
privilege of having their company

2018
01:35:07,939 --> 01:35:05,880
tonight with letting people know a

2019
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:07,949
little bit about MUFON and they can also

2020
01:35:14,360 --> 01:35:11,489
share where the the listeners can report

2021
01:35:17,590 --> 01:35:14,370
their witness sightings of crafts in the

2022
01:35:19,930 --> 01:35:17,600
sky or anomalous objects or orbs and

2023
01:35:22,790 --> 01:35:19,940
MUFON which is an all-volunteer

2024
01:35:26,419 --> 01:35:22,800
nonprofit charitable corporation it's

2025
01:35:29,360 --> 01:35:26,429
the world's largest civilian and oldest

2026
01:35:32,300 --> 01:35:29,370
UFO investigations and Research Center

2027
01:35:34,550 --> 01:35:32,310
can you please give the URL out and

2028
01:35:36,740 --> 01:35:34,560
explain the kind of report I think it

2029
01:35:38,570 --> 01:35:36,750
has an acronym like CFS database

2030
01:35:41,330 --> 01:35:38,580
can you please really a little bit about

2031
01:35:46,880 --> 01:35:41,340
that Shane or Stacey where people can go

2032
01:35:49,910 --> 01:35:46,890
to report their sightings Oh Stacey yeah

2033
01:35:51,860 --> 01:35:49,920
I'll help out with that so yes if you do

2034
01:35:53,570 --> 01:35:51,870
see something in the sky and you really

2035
01:35:56,210 --> 01:35:53,580
want to report this you want to find out

2036
01:35:58,610 --> 01:35:56,220
what it is please send that in to us

2037
01:36:03,860 --> 01:35:58,620
we'd love to give you a hand on that you

2038
01:36:06,950 --> 01:36:03,870
would go to wwm upon comm and on that

2039
01:36:09,290 --> 01:36:06,960
site that's MUFON main website for their

2040
01:36:12,170 --> 01:36:09,300
international site there's going to be a

2041
01:36:14,570 --> 01:36:12,180
tab there that says report a UFO you

2042
01:36:17,390 --> 01:36:14,580
simply click on that it gives you a very

2043
01:36:20,180 --> 01:36:17,400
simple form to fill out and by the time

2044
01:36:21,710 --> 01:36:20,190
you do that and submit it then it shoots

2045
01:36:24,980 --> 01:36:21,720
it back down to the state that it

2046
01:36:27,170 --> 01:36:24,990
originates from and then someone in that

2047
01:36:29,180 --> 01:36:27,180
state and in Arizona that's me I will

2048
01:36:31,580 --> 01:36:29,190
assign a field investigator to that case

2049
01:36:33,890 --> 01:36:31,590
and then you'll be notified within 48

2050
01:36:35,420 --> 01:36:33,900
hours from a field investigator and then

2051
01:36:38,450 --> 01:36:35,430
they'll go over some more details with

2052
01:36:41,600 --> 01:36:38,460
you on the case and that's about all

2053
01:36:54,560 --> 01:36:41,610
there is to it Casey you send all the

2054
01:36:56,360 --> 01:36:54,570
best cases to shame to things let's

2055
01:36:58,010 --> 01:36:56,370
mention the name of the director Jim

2056
01:37:00,110 --> 01:36:58,020
could you please give his name out to

2057
01:37:03,290 --> 01:37:00,120
Stacey so people know who the director

2058
01:37:05,630 --> 01:37:03,300
of Phoenix know fawn is yeah via direct

2059
01:37:08,210 --> 01:37:05,640
the state director for Arizona MUFON is

2060
01:37:10,460 --> 01:37:08,220
Jim Mann right and if you'd like to

2061
01:37:13,430 --> 01:37:10,470
contact him his name is on the website

2062
01:37:15,320 --> 01:37:13,440
which is Phoenix MUFON comm thank you

2063
01:37:16,850 --> 01:37:15,330
you should find out what our monthly

2064
01:37:19,040 --> 01:37:16,860
meetings are there all the information

2065
01:37:21,980 --> 01:37:19,050
there who's speaking what they're

2066
01:37:23,600 --> 01:37:21,990
speaking about the location and we have

2067
01:37:25,460 --> 01:37:23,610
meetings monthly and we'd love to have

2068
01:37:27,770 --> 01:37:25,470
people there it is open to the public

2069
01:37:29,600 --> 01:37:27,780
yes actually and I almost forgot I

2070
01:37:31,160 --> 01:37:29,610
didn't I didn't want to forget this and

2071
01:37:33,250 --> 01:37:31,170
that is you're having a meeting this

2072
01:37:36,110 --> 01:37:33,260
Sunday is it open to the public

2073
01:37:38,540 --> 01:37:36,120
I'm actually at this coming Saturday yes

2074
01:37:41,090 --> 01:37:38,550
there's Saturday so it's going to be

2075
01:37:44,480 --> 01:37:41,100
Saturday March 23rd at the beautiful

2076
01:37:48,020 --> 01:37:44,490
Arizona Historical Society Museum it's

2077
01:37:50,180 --> 01:37:48,030
$15 a person it's a three hour long

2078
01:37:52,610 --> 01:37:50,190
presentation so you're really getting a

2079
01:37:54,320 --> 01:37:52,620
good value on that 15 bucks it'll be the

2080
01:37:56,660 --> 01:37:54,330
most interesting afternoon you've had in

2081
01:37:58,940 --> 01:37:56,670
a really long time and we've actually

2082
01:38:00,620 --> 01:37:58,950
got Tom Reed speaking this coming

2083
01:38:03,740 --> 01:38:00,630
Saturday and his

2084
01:38:05,149 --> 01:38:03,750
family was involved in an abduction he's

2085
01:38:08,660 --> 01:38:05,159
going to be telling us all the details

2086
01:38:11,180 --> 01:38:08,670
on that and we are having a sky watch

2087
01:38:13,129 --> 01:38:11,190
later in the evening as well so we

2088
01:38:14,149 --> 01:38:13,139
welcome anyone who wants to join us

2089
01:38:16,100 --> 01:38:14,159
please come on out

2090
01:38:18,260 --> 01:38:16,110
that's incredible I'm so glad you were

2091
01:38:21,290 --> 01:38:18,270
able to mention that do you mind if i

2092
01:38:24,620 --> 01:38:21,300
bug you for one last thing Stacy sure

2093
01:38:27,290 --> 01:38:24,630
can you share with us a few of the

2094
01:38:29,990 --> 01:38:27,300
speakers that you have loved in the past

2095
01:38:31,879 --> 01:38:30,000
I know that you love all of them but the

2096
01:38:34,129 --> 01:38:31,889
speakers that you resonated with and

2097
01:38:38,419 --> 01:38:34,139
that have actually attended your MUFON

2098
01:38:40,100 --> 01:38:38,429
meetings in Phoenix Wow okay well that's

2099
01:38:43,419 --> 01:38:40,110
quite a list because we've been doing

2100
01:38:46,250 --> 01:38:43,429
this for about I think 12 years now

2101
01:38:50,080 --> 01:38:46,260
every month we have not missed a month

2102
01:38:52,040 --> 01:38:50,090
in 12 years so I had all great

2103
01:38:54,820 --> 01:38:52,050
high-caliber speakers from all around

2104
01:38:57,740 --> 01:38:54,830
the world we've had dr. sam osmanagich

2105
01:39:00,950 --> 01:38:57,750
from Bosnia talking about the Bosnian

2106
01:39:03,379 --> 01:39:00,960
pyramid we've had David Pilates talking

2107
01:39:05,510 --> 01:39:03,389
about his books missing for one one and

2108
01:39:09,320 --> 01:39:05,520
about his studies on Bigfoot we've had

2109
01:39:12,050 --> 01:39:09,330
him three times we've had Richard Dolan

2110
01:39:16,629 --> 01:39:12,060
three times we've had Linda Moulton Howe

2111
01:39:22,720 --> 01:39:16,639
twice we've had Nick Redfern Nick Pope

2112
01:39:28,370 --> 01:39:22,730
John Alexander Bryce sable dawn Schmidt

2113
01:39:30,770 --> 01:39:28,380
you name it they've been Stacy didn't

2114
01:39:32,750 --> 01:39:30,780
you have George NAB drop some news was

2115
01:39:34,550 --> 01:39:32,760
net Phoenix MUFON had George Knapp out

2116
01:39:37,520 --> 01:39:34,560
there maybe you're the early part this

2117
01:39:39,410 --> 01:39:37,530
year just a couple of months ago it was

2118
01:39:41,810 --> 01:39:39,420
in December we had George Knapp and

2119
01:39:44,209 --> 01:39:41,820
Jeremy Korbel both up on the stage so

2120
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:44,219
that was quite a day that's incredible

2121
01:39:48,320 --> 01:39:46,770
and that was a really important day do

2122
01:39:50,000 --> 01:39:48,330
you mind just spending one minute and

2123
01:39:54,169 --> 01:39:50,010
sharing a little bit about that please

2124
01:39:56,930 --> 01:39:54,179
Stacey well we had George Knapp come

2125
01:39:59,709 --> 01:39:56,940
speak to us way back in 2008 and we

2126
01:40:02,390 --> 01:39:59,719
loved it so much he is such a completely

2127
01:40:04,729 --> 01:40:02,400
well-spoken gentleman and very highly

2128
01:40:09,640 --> 01:40:04,739
educated and so we had to have him back

2129
01:40:13,729 --> 01:40:09,650
so I worked on him for you know 10 years

2130
01:40:14,600 --> 01:40:13,739
so we wanted him back to talk about

2131
01:40:17,060 --> 01:40:14,610
skinwalker

2132
01:40:20,479 --> 01:40:17,070
ranch because this is a subject that

2133
01:40:22,459 --> 01:40:20,489
yeah one of my that subjects out there I

2134
01:40:24,140 --> 01:40:22,469
just love this and I was actually

2135
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:24,150
starting to write a lecture on it myself

2136
01:40:27,500 --> 01:40:25,650
because there was no one out there

2137
01:40:29,689 --> 01:40:27,510
talking about it I thought well maybe I

2138
01:40:30,140 --> 01:40:29,699
just will then you know and then all of

2139
01:40:32,629 --> 01:40:30,150
a sudden

2140
01:40:37,490 --> 01:40:32,639
Jeremy Korbel comes up with his great

2141
01:40:39,410 --> 01:40:37,500
film hunt for the skinwalker and so you

2142
01:40:41,390 --> 01:40:39,420
know and he had George Knapp very much

2143
01:40:43,760 --> 01:40:41,400
tied into that presentation in that

2144
01:40:45,859 --> 01:40:43,770
movie as well so we had the opportunity

2145
01:40:48,169 --> 01:40:45,869
to have them come out and they told us

2146
01:40:51,320 --> 01:40:48,179
all about some of the really finer

2147
01:40:53,780 --> 01:40:51,330
details of what they did out there on

2148
01:40:57,439 --> 01:40:53,790
skinwalker ranch how they felt what they

2149
01:40:59,120 --> 01:40:57,449
saw what they experienced and to this

2150
01:41:01,640 --> 01:40:59,130
day that is still one of the most

2151
01:41:04,129 --> 01:41:01,650
interesting topics out there it's just a

2152
01:41:06,830 --> 01:41:04,139
crazy place it's the creepiest thing of

2153
01:41:08,540 --> 01:41:06,840
all and super interesting and we're

2154
01:41:10,550 --> 01:41:08,550
still finding stuff out about that so

2155
01:41:12,530 --> 01:41:10,560
hoping we can tie some of that together

2156
01:41:14,689 --> 01:41:12,540
you just have some of the most

2157
01:41:18,859 --> 01:41:14,699
fascinating speakers in the world did

2158
01:41:21,229 --> 01:41:18,869
that go I really encourage anybody to go

2159
01:41:23,660 --> 01:41:21,239
to these Phoenix MUFON meetings because

2160
01:41:26,270 --> 01:41:23,670
you know it's not dry information that

2161
01:41:30,800 --> 01:41:26,280
they share these are experts from around

2162
01:41:32,750 --> 01:41:30,810
the world who get to go to these Phoenix

2163
01:41:35,030 --> 01:41:32,760
meetings and share the knowledge that

2164
01:41:38,510 --> 01:41:35,040
they have accumulated over decades of

2165
01:41:41,180 --> 01:41:38,520
experience regarding topic of ufology

2166
01:41:44,149 --> 01:41:41,190
and more there's a sciences that they

2167
01:41:46,550 --> 01:41:44,159
also cover - I wanted to thank Stacey

2168
01:41:48,070 --> 01:41:46,560
Wright the assistant state director of

2169
01:41:50,629 --> 01:41:48,080
Arizona

2170
01:41:54,229 --> 01:41:50,639
MUFON and the co-director of Phoenix

2171
01:41:56,209 --> 01:41:54,239
MUFON for going on to the show with us

2172
01:41:59,600 --> 01:41:56,219
tonight it's a special report of this

2173
01:42:02,720 --> 01:41:59,610
Phoenix lights movie by dr. Lynn T tie

2174
01:42:04,729 --> 01:42:02,730
and also Shane heard a field

2175
01:42:06,280 --> 01:42:04,739
investigator for Phoenix MUFON thank you

2176
01:42:09,410 --> 01:42:06,290
for coming on the show with us tonight

2177
01:42:11,540 --> 01:42:09,420
absolutely thank you for having us yeah

2178
01:42:13,910 --> 01:42:11,550
like Stacey thanks a lot she is great

2179
01:42:17,260 --> 01:42:13,920
talking to you after almost time you you

2180
01:42:21,770 --> 01:42:19,160
Frank that was wonderful

2181
01:42:23,419 --> 01:42:21,780
I wanted to know it yeah it was so neat

2182
01:42:26,240 --> 01:42:23,429
being able to speak to them because

2183
01:42:28,080 --> 01:42:26,250
they're so immersed in this topic they

2184
01:42:30,899 --> 01:42:28,090
literally live and breathe it

2185
01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:30,909
and just having them touch on this topic

2186
01:42:36,390 --> 01:42:34,449
tonight was really so wonderful it was

2187
01:42:39,000 --> 01:42:36,400
we've got some more audio that you

2188
01:42:40,800 --> 01:42:39,010
picked up yesterday now do you have

2189
01:42:45,899 --> 01:42:40,810
anything in particular you want to go to

2190
01:42:47,250 --> 01:42:45,909
next or do I get to pick yes please do

2191
01:42:49,290 --> 01:42:47,260
and I just want to let the listeners

2192
01:42:52,439 --> 01:42:49,300
know something now it's important and

2193
01:42:55,620 --> 01:42:52,449
that is no matter what Frank picks it

2194
01:42:58,800 --> 01:42:55,630
doesn't really matter the order because

2195
01:43:00,959 --> 01:42:58,810
these are all wonderful guest speakers

2196
01:43:02,820 --> 01:43:00,969
that were invited onto the panel for the

2197
01:43:04,649 --> 01:43:02,830
Phoenix lights movie in other words

2198
01:43:07,919 --> 01:43:04,659
folks didn't just get to see the movie

2199
01:43:12,330 --> 01:43:07,929
they actually got to listen to 10 or

2200
01:43:14,459 --> 01:43:12,340
more guest speakers that day so please

2201
01:43:16,620 --> 01:43:14,469
do by all means Frank choose whichever

2202
01:43:19,830 --> 01:43:16,630
one you'd like and please play it until

2203
01:43:22,379 --> 01:43:19,840
a 9 because that's when we bring on dr.

2204
01:43:24,419 --> 01:43:22,389
Lynn khatai key tie special guest

2205
01:43:26,189 --> 01:43:24,429
tonight okay now when is that gonna be

2206
01:43:29,760 --> 01:43:26,199
again I'm sorry I miss that mark right

2207
01:43:31,169 --> 01:43:29,770
dr. lynskey tires got that part not that

2208
01:43:33,270 --> 01:43:31,179
part when they're when are we gonna

2209
01:43:35,129 --> 01:43:33,280
bring her on right at 9:00 p.m. that's

2210
01:43:36,720 --> 01:43:35,139
what I was gonna yeah no okay

2211
01:43:39,030 --> 01:43:36,730
okay so we still got another 45 minutes

2212
01:43:43,589 --> 01:43:39,040
all right then okay what I'm gonna play

2213
01:43:45,000 --> 01:43:43,599
now is Councilwoman Fran Barwood now you

2214
01:43:47,189 --> 01:43:45,010
didn't speak to her directly this is

2215
01:43:50,040 --> 01:43:47,199
from the panel discussion is that about

2216
01:43:52,530 --> 01:43:50,050
right it is and the recordings you're

2217
01:43:55,500 --> 01:43:52,540
gonna play the folks might actually get

2218
01:43:57,450 --> 01:43:55,510
to hear her speak twice which is great

2219
01:43:59,790 --> 01:43:57,460
because she speaks about different

2220
01:44:02,820 --> 01:43:59,800
things each time okay well I've got that

2221
01:44:08,189 --> 01:44:02,830
nine-minute clip coming up right now and

2222
01:44:10,200 --> 01:44:08,199
I don't know how good the quality is

2223
01:44:12,300 --> 01:44:10,210
gonna come across the interviews that

2224
01:44:13,260 --> 01:44:12,310
you did directly yeah they sounded okay

2225
01:44:15,780 --> 01:44:13,270
they sounded pretty good

2226
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:15,790
I'm not sure about this but let's run

2227
01:44:21,060 --> 01:44:18,610
through it and here goes this is

2228
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:21,070
canceled a Councilwoman at the time

2229
01:44:27,840 --> 01:44:24,010
anyway Fran Barwood discussing her

2230
01:44:33,030 --> 01:44:30,300
she was there were so many people I need

2231
01:44:35,370 --> 01:44:33,040
you guys I wasn't asked all about

2232
01:44:37,590 --> 01:44:35,380
everything over the summer we were

2233
01:44:41,430 --> 01:44:37,600
summer break that's what I did and it

2234
01:44:43,410 --> 01:44:41,440
was in June that never did his whole

2235
01:44:45,330 --> 01:44:43,420
thing oh my god I got so many phone

2236
01:44:49,320 --> 01:44:45,340
calls my phone just always been listed

2237
01:44:53,750 --> 01:44:49,330
and it's like what are they in freedom

2238
01:44:57,510 --> 01:44:53,760
I got calls from Japan from England from

2239
01:45:05,960 --> 01:44:57,520
South America from Canada from everyone

2240
01:45:23,169 --> 01:45:09,660
she was okay she was not one of the

2241
01:46:22,040 --> 01:45:58,970
you know we're gonna see a video it was

2242
01:46:24,890 --> 01:46:22,050
me we talked about a little bit about

2243
01:46:28,100 --> 01:46:24,900
how the media and Hollywood portrays

2244
01:46:28,550 --> 01:46:28,110
this for real fear and thank you friends

2245
01:46:30,800 --> 01:46:28,560
right

2246
01:46:34,760 --> 01:46:30,810
I was an just to do the movie everybody

2247
01:46:36,680 --> 01:46:34,770
started recently based loosely on Athena

2248
01:46:43,390 --> 01:46:36,690
claims and once I learned that it was a

2249
01:46:43,400 --> 01:47:42,970
we were initiating doctor unusual he

2250
01:48:02,990 --> 01:47:46,760
Western University and Ohio University

2251
01:48:10,780 --> 01:48:03,000
who were there in 64 and 65 and he he

2252
01:48:14,660 --> 01:48:10,790
was actually coerced to really good the

2253
01:48:14,670 --> 01:48:29,530
[Music]

2254
01:49:11,560 --> 01:49:02,390
okay intelligent idea happiness is well

2255
01:49:14,450 --> 01:49:11,570
it might be so okay so there's that and

2256
01:49:15,710 --> 01:49:14,460
let's see let's sir there's a Travis

2257
01:49:17,870 --> 01:49:15,720
Walton was there as well they're

2258
01:49:21,410 --> 01:49:17,880
chanting yes that was a wonderful

2259
01:49:24,770 --> 01:49:21,420
interview okay I just wanted to mention

2260
01:49:27,830 --> 01:49:24,780
to the listeners and that Travis did

2261
01:49:29,540 --> 01:49:27,840
speak at this event and this was the

2262
01:49:31,970 --> 01:49:29,550
very last interview we were literally

2263
01:49:35,180 --> 01:49:31,980
the only people standing in the theater

2264
01:49:38,330 --> 01:49:35,190
at that point being the equipment person

2265
01:49:40,820 --> 01:49:38,340
I had brought with me and to help record

2266
01:49:43,280 --> 01:49:40,830
this event this interview and also just

2267
01:49:45,560 --> 01:49:43,290
Travis and Luke his son we were the only

2268
01:49:48,260 --> 01:49:45,570
ones left in the theater okay so hear

2269
01:49:50,750 --> 01:49:48,270
them this is about five minutes worth so

2270
01:49:52,640 --> 01:49:50,760
let's run this and I think the sound if

2271
01:49:54,800 --> 01:49:52,650
this was a direct interview the sound is

2272
01:50:00,940 --> 01:49:54,810
gonna be a little bit better so here

2273
01:50:00,950 --> 01:50:04,880
[Music]

2274
01:50:08,340 --> 01:50:06,090
okay

2275
01:50:11,120 --> 01:50:08,350
my name is Chad Henne I'm here with the

2276
01:50:14,040 --> 01:50:11,130
UFO news network for a special report

2277
01:50:16,590 --> 01:50:14,050
I'm here to talk to Travis Walton a

2278
01:50:19,200 --> 01:50:16,600
special guest speaker at the Phoenix

2279
01:50:22,670 --> 01:50:19,210
lights movie it is a 22nd anniversary

2280
01:50:24,780 --> 01:50:22,680
that discuss Dale che Harkins theater

2281
01:50:26,280 --> 01:50:24,790
Travis I had a question for you how do

2282
01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:26,290
you feel about the turnout today I know

2283
01:50:30,360 --> 01:50:28,690
that the turnout went really well it's

2284
01:50:33,870 --> 01:50:30,370
sold out right here and then they had to

2285
01:50:36,510 --> 01:50:33,880
open up yet another room at 1:30 I think

2286
01:50:40,110 --> 01:50:36,520
that's kind of reflective of the

2287
01:50:45,950 --> 01:50:40,120
phenomena in general I'm experiencing an

2288
01:50:50,520 --> 01:50:45,960
increase in interest in my case I just

2289
01:50:54,360 --> 01:50:50,530
mailed a book to the Czech Republic

2290
01:50:58,350 --> 01:50:54,370
this year Finland Russia it's it's

2291
01:51:01,230 --> 01:50:58,360
becoming a worldwide phenomenon and it

2292
01:51:06,320 --> 01:51:01,240
needs to you know that's that's what you

2293
01:51:13,260 --> 01:51:10,920
but I think people need to know the

2294
01:51:15,690 --> 01:51:13,270
reality of this phenomenon there's a lot

2295
01:51:18,990 --> 01:51:15,700
of rumors going around that two stars

2296
01:51:21,180 --> 01:51:19,000
Academy TTS a might have within their

2297
01:51:23,490 --> 01:51:21,190
possession some kind of anomalous

2298
01:51:26,520 --> 01:51:23,500
fragments that might be exotic material

2299
01:51:28,830 --> 01:51:26,530
or meta material related don't really

2300
01:51:30,300 --> 01:51:28,840
want to know about them with you like in

2301
01:51:31,830 --> 01:51:30,310
regards to a comment you might make on

2302
01:51:34,380 --> 01:51:31,840
them so much just want to know about

2303
01:51:36,570 --> 01:51:34,390
meta materials that topic has come up

2304
01:51:40,290 --> 01:51:36,580
repeatedly from the TTS a different

2305
01:51:43,080 --> 01:51:40,300
scientists the UFO community there's

2306
01:51:45,360 --> 01:51:43,090
different organizations that claim to be

2307
01:51:47,070 --> 01:51:45,370
studying that kind of topic right now do

2308
01:51:49,290 --> 01:51:47,080
you feel like meta materials or exotic

2309
01:51:52,500 --> 01:51:49,300
allies are the kind of topic that might

2310
01:51:54,990 --> 01:51:52,510
come up certainly something that I think

2311
01:51:56,720 --> 01:51:55,000
our government would be highly

2312
01:52:01,460 --> 01:51:56,730
interested in

2313
01:52:03,110 --> 01:52:01,470
or you know defense type things but we

2314
01:52:06,440 --> 01:52:03,120
puzzled for years over what were the

2315
01:52:11,030 --> 01:52:06,450
aliens doing there in the woods

2316
01:52:14,870 --> 01:52:11,040
and I did a show a while back with Rob

2317
01:52:17,810 --> 01:52:14,880
Lowe and it was a two-part series and

2318
01:52:21,050 --> 01:52:17,820
the second half of the show was about

2319
01:52:25,280 --> 01:52:21,060
these crystals so as a segue between the

2320
01:52:27,560 --> 01:52:25,290
two segments and he said Travis told me

2321
01:52:30,530 --> 01:52:27,570
that the aliens were in the area looking

2322
01:52:32,480 --> 01:52:30,540
for folk and this was astonishing to me

2323
01:52:34,970 --> 01:52:32,490
because I didn't know what Kobe Wright

2324
01:52:37,580 --> 01:52:34,980
was so I had to go online to find out

2325
01:52:39,830 --> 01:52:37,590
what it is it's it's it's a type of

2326
01:52:43,130 --> 01:52:39,840
crystal that is formed when lightning

2327
01:52:45,920 --> 01:52:43,140
strikes the earth so you've got millions

2328
01:52:48,860 --> 01:52:45,930
of volts and millions of degrees making

2329
01:52:51,050 --> 01:52:48,870
some very unique substances that

2330
01:52:54,050 --> 01:52:51,060
according to the crystal people have

2331
01:52:55,970 --> 01:52:54,060
extraordinary properties well no I I

2332
01:52:57,770 --> 01:52:55,980
didn't say that so maybe he got confused

2333
01:53:04,370 --> 01:52:57,780
with something that crystal lady said

2334
01:53:06,590 --> 01:53:04,380
but it's a great possibility that for

2335
01:53:08,720 --> 01:53:06,600
what they were doing there because you

2336
01:53:10,480 --> 01:53:08,730
know what area there has the highest

2337
01:53:13,310 --> 01:53:10,490
frequency of lightning strikes so

2338
01:53:17,240 --> 01:53:13,320
anywhere in the continental United

2339
01:53:19,370 --> 01:53:17,250
States outside the Everglades so uh huh

2340
01:53:21,820 --> 01:53:19,380
a theory about what they might have been

2341
01:53:25,340 --> 01:53:21,830
doing there I had a question also why do

2342
01:53:27,520 --> 01:53:25,350
people appear in the face of possible

2343
01:53:33,000 --> 01:53:27,530
evidence of extraterrestrial contact

2344
01:53:38,130 --> 01:53:34,740
I think fear is the number one

2345
01:53:40,860 --> 01:53:38,140
motivation you know they prefer to have

2346
01:53:43,800 --> 01:53:40,870
explained it was something they can wrap

2347
01:53:46,950 --> 01:53:43,810
their head around and I think a lot of

2348
01:53:50,040 --> 01:53:46,960
the fear is unwarranted I do not believe

2349
01:53:52,290 --> 01:53:50,050
that they pose a threat the idea that

2350
01:53:53,820 --> 01:53:52,300
they have some plan to take over the

2351
01:53:55,460 --> 01:53:53,830
earth or something like that I think is

2352
01:53:58,320 --> 01:53:55,470
absurd

2353
01:54:02,400 --> 01:53:58,330
they've been around for hundreds of

2354
01:54:04,530 --> 01:54:02,410
years you know some of the native

2355
01:54:06,930 --> 01:54:04,540
peoples have been talking about this

2356
01:54:10,320 --> 01:54:06,940
it's a long tradition this is nothing

2357
01:54:12,690 --> 01:54:10,330
new yeah with that level of Technology

2358
01:54:17,250 --> 01:54:12,700
if they wanted the earth we'd never know

2359
01:54:21,210 --> 01:54:17,260
what hit us so obviously in my view they

2360
01:54:23,160 --> 01:54:21,220
are benign or at least neutral I don't

2361
01:54:24,540 --> 01:54:23,170
see them as a threat we have a time

2362
01:54:26,490 --> 01:54:24,550
constraint today because we're actually

2363
01:54:27,720 --> 01:54:26,500
going over on time the event was

2364
01:54:29,130 --> 01:54:27,730
supposed to end at 5:00 p.m. it's

2365
01:54:31,590 --> 01:54:29,140
actually ended at 6:00 p.m. and we've

2366
01:54:34,260 --> 01:54:31,600
gone on beyond that the theater is now

2367
01:54:36,450 --> 01:54:34,270
closing just wanted to get your comments

2368
01:54:39,060 --> 01:54:36,460
about the topic of pathology if you were

2369
01:54:41,250 --> 01:54:39,070
just to sum it up about the future of it

2370
01:54:43,020 --> 01:54:41,260
what do you think the world has to look

2371
01:54:45,810 --> 01:54:43,030
forward to with regards to that topic

2372
01:54:48,930 --> 01:54:45,820
well I think that you know my own

2373
01:54:50,940 --> 01:54:48,940
personal mission is to just make people

2374
01:54:52,530 --> 01:54:50,950
realize that it's real and then that

2375
01:54:54,840 --> 01:54:52,540
it's not a threat and to try to tamp

2376
01:54:58,770 --> 01:54:54,850
down some of these conspiracy theories

2377
01:55:00,660 --> 01:54:58,780
and like it or not I I do not believe

2378
01:55:05,040 --> 01:55:00,670
our government is in some kind of a

2379
01:55:08,130 --> 01:55:05,050
sinister plot with the aliens to you

2380
01:55:09,840 --> 01:55:08,140
know these people are patriots

2381
01:55:12,240 --> 01:55:09,850
themselves I mean they have families

2382
01:55:13,099 --> 01:55:12,250
they live here there I think those kind

2383
01:55:15,829 --> 01:55:13,109
of theories

2384
01:55:17,629 --> 01:55:15,839
just that conspiracies well thank you so

2385
01:55:18,560 --> 01:55:17,639
much for your time Travis greatly

2386
01:55:21,199 --> 01:55:18,570
appreciate it

2387
01:55:24,379 --> 01:55:21,209
this is chant hen with UFO news network

2388
01:55:25,790 --> 01:55:24,389
thank you well that went well

2389
01:55:28,989 --> 01:55:25,800
okay that was that was a nice piece

2390
01:55:32,060 --> 01:55:28,999
audio there I just get their chant

2391
01:55:34,790 --> 01:55:32,070
fantastic and also you know I've forgot

2392
01:55:38,389 --> 01:55:34,800
to ask you I'm sorry if you could play

2393
01:55:41,659 --> 01:55:38,399
the Stacey interview with also John

2394
01:55:43,699 --> 01:55:41,669
Dover and Shane heard got it okay that's

2395
01:55:47,689 --> 01:55:43,709
just a couple minute clip and here it

2396
01:55:51,709 --> 01:55:50,060
Phoenix lights which is in Scottsdale

2397
01:55:55,040 --> 01:55:51,719
the Harkins the theater it's a twenty

2398
01:55:57,139 --> 01:55:55,050
six twenty second anniversary of the

2399
01:55:58,549 --> 01:55:57,149
Phoenix lights and I wanted to have the

2400
01:56:00,859 --> 01:55:58,559
opportunity to talk to a few of the

2401
01:56:02,270 --> 01:56:00,869
speakers that were here today can you

2402
01:56:06,429 --> 01:56:02,280
please introduce yourself

2403
01:56:12,049 --> 01:56:06,439
yes my name is Jonathan Dover do ve R

2404
01:56:14,239 --> 01:56:12,059
I'm a retired Navajo Granger after doing

2405
01:56:19,790 --> 01:56:14,249
31 years as a federal law enforcement

2406
01:56:23,599 --> 01:56:19,800
officer field investigator from MUFON

2407
01:56:25,310 --> 01:56:23,609
Shane heard yeah the privilege and

2408
01:56:27,500 --> 01:56:25,320
opportunity to interview him recently

2409
01:56:29,750 --> 01:56:27,510
and it's good to see if you're seeing

2410
01:56:32,000 --> 01:56:29,760
today how are you doing great great

2411
01:56:33,529 --> 01:56:32,010
event want to support it yeah it's not a

2412
01:56:35,509 --> 01:56:33,539
lot of neat and interesting stuff today

2413
01:56:38,299 --> 01:56:35,519
how many times have you been here four

2414
01:56:39,979 --> 01:56:38,309
or five actually yeah and we also have

2415
01:56:40,939 --> 01:56:39,989
one of the directors of Phoenix MUFON

2416
01:56:43,699 --> 01:56:40,949
here with us today

2417
01:56:45,770 --> 01:56:43,709
including me hi I'm Stacey Wright I'm

2418
01:56:47,989 --> 01:56:45,780
the assistant State Director for MUFON

2419
01:56:51,589 --> 01:56:47,999
in Arizona and also the co-director of

2420
01:56:53,120 --> 01:56:51,599
Phoenix MUFON how many times have you

2421
01:56:56,300 --> 01:56:53,130
been to this event

2422
01:56:58,100 --> 01:56:56,310
ten or eleven times so we try to come

2423
01:56:59,900 --> 01:56:58,110
every year and really support Lana and

2424
01:57:01,730 --> 01:56:59,910
she really supports us so we're good

2425
01:57:03,770 --> 01:57:01,740
colleagues in this whole thing there's a

2426
01:57:05,300 --> 01:57:03,780
lot of fun how do you feel about how

2427
01:57:06,950 --> 01:57:05,310
this fit event went today did it go

2428
01:57:08,720 --> 01:57:06,960
really well I noticed that today sold

2429
01:57:10,400 --> 01:57:08,730
out and then they had actually open up

2430
01:57:12,110 --> 01:57:10,410
another theater right yeah it went well

2431
01:57:13,820 --> 01:57:12,120
you know this theater holds 300 people

2432
01:57:16,190 --> 01:57:13,830
it was sold out and they did have to get

2433
01:57:17,960 --> 01:57:16,200
another theater next door to have the

2434
01:57:20,450 --> 01:57:17,970
overflow there so I think it was a true

2435
01:57:21,890 --> 01:57:20,460
success yes it was and how do you feel

2436
01:57:23,330 --> 01:57:21,900
about the event today again it did

2437
01:57:25,220 --> 01:57:23,340
sellout in this theater they had to open

2438
01:57:26,720 --> 01:57:25,230
up yet another one and that meant the

2439
01:57:28,850 --> 01:57:26,730
speaker's had to go from here to get

2440
01:57:31,640 --> 01:57:28,860
another room just to talk it seemed like

2441
01:57:33,230 --> 01:57:31,650
everything went well yeah I think it did

2442
01:57:35,690 --> 01:57:33,240
and it's just reflective of the fact

2443
01:57:37,940 --> 01:57:35,700
that you know the Phoenix light case is

2444
01:57:40,460 --> 01:57:37,950
still relevant and people are still

2445
01:57:42,860 --> 01:57:40,470
interested in it and even you know 22

2446
01:57:44,900 --> 01:57:42,870
years later you're filling theaters full

2447
01:57:47,210 --> 01:57:44,910
of people interested in it and so I

2448
01:57:49,880 --> 01:57:47,220
think it's a relevant case one of the

2449
01:57:52,100 --> 01:57:49,890
best cases ever actually and the events

2450
01:57:53,570 --> 01:57:52,110
really worth attending that how do you

2451
01:57:55,880 --> 01:57:53,580
feel about the reaction from the public

2452
01:57:58,520 --> 01:57:55,890
whenever they come here to listen to

2453
01:58:00,440 --> 01:57:58,530
speakers talk about the Phoenix lights

2454
01:58:02,630 --> 01:58:00,450
and their own testimonials about their

2455
01:58:04,250 --> 01:58:02,640
own witnessing of possible

2456
01:58:07,010 --> 01:58:04,260
extraterrestrial craft or anomalous

2457
01:58:08,750 --> 01:58:07,020
objects in the sky the reaction from the

2458
01:58:10,820 --> 01:58:08,760
public is it positive do people have a

2459
01:58:13,880 --> 01:58:10,830
lot of questions or what what is your

2460
01:58:17,240 --> 01:58:13,890
experience it's both positive and people

2461
01:58:21,530 --> 01:58:17,250
have lots of questions they want to know

2462
01:58:22,580 --> 01:58:21,540
what happened why it happened and is it

2463
01:58:27,470 --> 01:58:22,590
going to happen again

2464
01:58:31,569 --> 01:58:27,480
and they're they're very very curious so

2465
01:58:33,700 --> 01:58:31,579
this provides a venue for them

2466
01:58:36,970 --> 01:58:33,710
to ask those questions and meet the

2467
01:58:38,530 --> 01:58:36,980
people that saw these things there's a

2468
01:58:40,510 --> 01:58:38,540
lot of reasons to come to this event we

2469
01:58:46,240 --> 01:58:40,520
hope to see you again next year thank

2470
01:58:47,799 --> 01:58:46,250
you okay so that's that clip and we

2471
01:58:50,350 --> 01:58:47,809
heard for the first time tonight that

2472
01:58:54,310 --> 01:58:50,360
John Dover and I've got a brief clip

2473
01:58:56,229 --> 01:58:54,320
from him on the panel so I'm ready to go

2474
01:58:57,760 --> 01:58:56,239
with that if that's okay with you chant

2475
01:59:02,120 --> 01:58:57,770
hang on

2476
01:59:06,800 --> 01:59:03,830
it was almost like a holographic

2477
01:59:10,189 --> 01:59:06,810
projection up maybe a few feet away from

2478
01:59:14,890 --> 01:59:10,199
the that was in that light path so

2479
01:59:20,330 --> 01:59:17,780
after the light grid went over that's

2480
01:59:24,109 --> 01:59:20,340
when I got my first good look he was

2481
01:59:26,390 --> 01:59:24,119
back porch that's when I really saw that

2482
01:59:28,700 --> 01:59:26,400
from time where I really could see all

2483
01:59:30,740 --> 01:59:28,710
the colors of the rainbow shades kind of

2484
01:59:33,140 --> 01:59:30,750
like a flag or a pendant coming out the

2485
01:59:35,930 --> 01:59:33,150
back of the craft they were just really

2486
01:59:39,010 --> 01:59:35,940
cool look if they had impulses of life

2487
01:59:41,240 --> 01:59:39,020
within the plumes that were individual

2488
01:59:44,959 --> 01:59:41,250
impulses of life there was like a

2489
01:59:47,870 --> 01:59:44,969
fishtail that all going back with the

2490
01:59:50,240 --> 01:59:47,880
thought and it also was weaving behind

2491
01:59:54,350 --> 01:59:50,250
there like a snake it look like a three

2492
01:59:56,839 --> 01:59:54,360
be all happy one when I walk through

2493
02:00:14,109 --> 01:59:56,849
down when out on the top porch it's got

2494
02:00:20,209 --> 02:00:17,629
large it was it just faded off into the

2495
02:00:22,430 --> 02:00:20,219
night it's just quite quickly I wanted

2496
02:00:31,440 --> 02:00:22,440
it to last longer I wanted to see more

2497
02:00:31,450 --> 02:00:34,439
okay

2498
02:00:47,700 --> 02:00:45,610
what that amazing laws for them for for

2499
02:00:51,400 --> 02:00:47,710
doing it this is the most accurate

2500
02:00:59,319 --> 02:00:51,410
forensic study of one of the craft in

2501
02:02:07,180 --> 02:01:02,350
in fact when I was sitting here dr.

2502
02:02:09,040 --> 02:02:07,190
Evans before the mass sighting I

2503
02:02:11,049 --> 02:02:09,050
presented my substance abuse prevention

2504
02:02:14,410 --> 02:02:11,059
education program I am an Indian

2505
02:02:15,359 --> 02:02:14,420
Reservation which is in between South

2506
02:02:17,850 --> 02:02:15,369
Mountain News

2507
02:02:20,100 --> 02:02:17,860
I'm an orange there's a bass in there it

2508
02:02:24,180 --> 02:02:20,110
is very sacred ground this is really

2509
02:02:26,939 --> 02:02:24,190
important stuff because I when I went to

2510
02:02:28,680 --> 02:02:26,949
my pictures I was singing and I always

2511
02:02:31,350 --> 02:02:28,690
think that it speaks for itself just

2512
02:02:34,050 --> 02:02:31,360
look at it okay then

2513
02:02:37,140 --> 02:02:34,060
these phenomena from our vantage point

2514
02:02:38,910 --> 02:02:37,150
on the mountains in Paradise Valley well

2515
02:02:40,470 --> 02:02:38,920
we see the panoramic view this you sound

2516
02:02:43,229 --> 02:02:40,480
anything that pops up out there we get

2517
02:02:44,879 --> 02:02:43,239
to see and we're familiar with car

2518
02:02:50,070 --> 02:02:44,889
lights and street lights and all that

2519
02:02:52,399 --> 02:02:50,080
and what they said to me after I told

2520
02:02:55,020 --> 02:02:52,409
him I said well you know it looks like

2521
02:02:56,399 --> 02:02:55,030
from our perspective in these lights

2522
02:02:58,589 --> 02:02:56,409
keep popping up right in that area

2523
02:03:00,870 --> 02:02:58,599
between southbound and The Australian's

2524
02:03:03,810 --> 02:03:00,880
where your reservation is and then they

2525
02:03:05,760 --> 02:03:03,820
started to go missing that funny

2526
02:03:07,320 --> 02:03:05,770
these are you kidding you moving up in

2527
02:03:10,410 --> 02:03:07,330
the presenter ease with all the sky

2528
02:03:12,899 --> 02:03:10,420
people like these it's part of their

2529
02:03:15,089 --> 02:03:12,909
culture it was a first I had heard of it

2530
02:03:18,930 --> 02:03:15,099
it blew my mind when I started looking

2531
02:03:21,450 --> 02:03:18,940
into that aspect of these phenomena the

2532
02:03:25,410 --> 02:03:21,460
negative cultures worldwide indigenous

2533
02:03:52,229 --> 02:03:25,420
peoples worldwide are so much more open

2534
02:03:54,620 --> 02:03:52,239
to these phenomena right here anything

2535
02:03:58,169 --> 02:03:54,630
that you might find intriguing isn't

2536
02:04:01,980 --> 02:03:58,179
that's how the Austrians got a thing we

2537
02:04:03,960 --> 02:04:01,990
can store in Spanish it needs nah man I

2538
02:04:10,890 --> 02:04:03,970
presenter 'yes there's an extra class

2539
02:04:13,050 --> 02:04:10,900
drawings that century-old petroglyphs he

2540
02:04:17,250 --> 02:04:13,060
found the picture it was exactly what my

2541
02:04:19,890 --> 02:04:17,260
husband and I saw these amber or circles

2542
02:04:23,550 --> 02:04:19,900
in a pyramid formation and there's even

2543
02:04:28,380 --> 02:04:23,560
one it's a boom right and they also

2544
02:04:31,560 --> 02:04:28,390
think there was a portal or a gateway in

2545
02:04:40,410 --> 02:04:31,570
that area they were looking up at them

2546
02:04:42,390 --> 02:04:40,420
and then the next people that when it

2547
02:04:46,440 --> 02:04:42,400
introduced to you are so amazing

2548
02:04:52,410 --> 02:04:46,450
first of all let me first introduce our

2549
02:04:53,910 --> 02:04:52,420
Navajo Ranger Jonathan is over he gave

2550
02:04:56,160 --> 02:04:53,920
all this a bigoted conference and he

2551
02:04:58,280 --> 02:04:56,170
said you know we had a state exciting

2552
02:04:59,910 --> 02:04:58,290
the day before your signing and

2553
02:05:01,350 --> 02:04:59,920
unfortunately we're running short on

2554
02:05:03,480 --> 02:05:01,360
time so I want to make it short because

2555
02:05:05,820 --> 02:05:03,490
we have a couple more wonderful people

2556
02:05:07,950 --> 02:05:05,830
to to introduce and I want I know you

2557
02:05:09,330 --> 02:05:07,960
have questions for the for everyone and

2558
02:05:12,450 --> 02:05:09,340
we're gonna have everyone come back up

2559
02:05:14,010 --> 02:05:12,460
and we have a couple of other witnesses

2560
02:05:18,450 --> 02:05:14,020
that are terrific too that are going to

2561
02:05:20,910 --> 02:05:18,460
join us hopefully for the Q&A but I was

2562
02:05:25,140 --> 02:05:20,920
amazed I had no idea that they had a

2563
02:05:28,490 --> 02:05:25,150
sighting and it's so matter-of-fact on

2564
02:05:31,260 --> 02:05:28,500
air you know they're open to these other

2565
02:05:35,170 --> 02:05:31,270
intelligences something that we should

2566
02:05:39,950 --> 02:05:38,330
okay we're ready to make this as quick

2567
02:05:43,820 --> 02:05:39,960
as we can but there's a lot of

2568
02:05:47,650 --> 02:05:43,830
information to get out my name is

2569
02:05:52,870 --> 02:05:47,660
Jonathan Dover I entered law enforcement

2570
02:05:57,350 --> 02:05:52,880
on the Navajo Indian Reservation and 80

2571
02:06:00,200 --> 02:05:57,360
my training was six months long my

2572
02:06:02,960 --> 02:06:00,210
Academy I had to be trained as a federal

2573
02:06:06,230 --> 02:06:02,970
officer first that I was trained as a

2574
02:06:11,020 --> 02:06:06,240
meso state officer that was commissioned

2575
02:06:14,390 --> 02:06:11,030
in sabers on to be a nurse an officer

2576
02:06:16,400 --> 02:06:14,400
all that and then I went to criminal

2577
02:06:21,830 --> 02:06:16,410
investigation school at another ten

2578
02:06:25,190 --> 02:06:21,840
weeks not a super Academy and there they

2579
02:06:26,120 --> 02:06:25,200
taught you how to investigate cases from

2580
02:06:28,820 --> 02:06:26,130
the bottom up

2581
02:06:32,750 --> 02:06:28,830
I've been homicides denn-shah

2582
02:06:37,390 --> 02:06:32,760
molestations you know I was a technical

2583
02:06:43,430 --> 02:06:37,400
last nvest year so we look at evidence

2584
02:06:47,090 --> 02:06:43,440
now me and well let me tell you the

2585
02:06:50,030 --> 02:06:47,100
story first were the night before the KT

2586
02:06:52,040 --> 02:06:50,040
flights happen here we're on a loop

2587
02:06:55,130 --> 02:06:52,050
Arizona

2588
02:06:57,470 --> 02:06:55,140
that's where I live in our community

2589
02:06:59,090 --> 02:06:57,480
my brother ex-brother-in-law comes

2590
02:07:01,490 --> 02:06:59,100
running in the house and he says hey

2591
02:07:07,220 --> 02:07:01,500
there's a triangle just one over the

2592
02:07:10,340 --> 02:07:07,230
house and it's making no noise so we all

2593
02:07:13,760 --> 02:07:10,350
pay a loud it's it's getting dark we run

2594
02:07:15,500 --> 02:07:13,770
outside and sure enough there's these

2595
02:07:20,480 --> 02:07:15,510
lights or going in a counterclockwise

2596
02:07:22,520 --> 02:07:20,490
direction around their community we did

2597
02:07:26,990 --> 02:07:22,530
it there and watch these lights are

2598
02:07:28,460 --> 02:07:27,000
about 40 minutes and they were learning

2599
02:07:30,410 --> 02:07:28,470
in a clockwise direction that they're

2600
02:07:32,030 --> 02:07:30,420
about six or seven of them today

2601
02:07:34,310 --> 02:07:32,040
whatever the first one would change

2602
02:07:37,160 --> 02:07:34,320
color the second one it was like all of

2603
02:07:39,710 --> 02:07:37,170
the leader they were spaced out light

2604
02:07:42,440 --> 02:07:39,720
enough that you know that's the person

2605
02:07:46,520 --> 02:07:42,450
would change the red to green to blue

2606
02:07:50,330 --> 02:07:46,530
and ever that eventually changed and the

2607
02:07:53,330 --> 02:07:50,340
next one the next on the master and the

2608
02:07:54,950 --> 02:07:53,340
first one in Flores the bright white and

2609
02:07:56,870 --> 02:07:54,960
it's a brighter and brighter and

2610
02:07:58,940 --> 02:07:56,880
brighter and the next want to do the

2611
02:08:01,190 --> 02:07:58,950
same and then he kept doing this over

2612
02:08:05,480 --> 02:08:01,200
and over at least watch them going

2613
02:08:08,960 --> 02:08:05,490
around in a circle around us as we watch

2614
02:08:12,140 --> 02:08:08,970
them our neighbors all came out of their

2615
02:08:13,940 --> 02:08:12,150
houses they turn on all the lights and

2616
02:08:16,190 --> 02:08:13,950
their houses and all the front porch

2617
02:08:17,850 --> 02:08:16,200
lights and everybody brought their lawn

2618
02:08:20,520 --> 02:08:17,860
chairs hell

2619
02:08:24,900 --> 02:08:20,530
and our own community watch this thing

2620
02:08:26,280 --> 02:08:24,910
and then we said oh crap all the news

2621
02:08:34,260 --> 02:08:26,290
and the world is going to be out here

2622
02:08:36,660 --> 02:08:34,270
tomorrow the next day this happened and

2623
02:08:39,270 --> 02:08:36,670
nobody came out this time

2624
02:08:50,510 --> 02:08:39,280
remember I've been along for officers

2625
02:08:53,820 --> 02:08:50,520
since 1980 department after and I said

2626
02:08:55,680 --> 02:08:53,830
do you have any officers up north and

2627
02:09:00,810 --> 02:08:55,690
when I stepped back to verify something

2628
02:09:05,370 --> 02:09:00,820
very she says no what would he need and

2629
02:09:11,790 --> 02:09:05,380
I said never mind because nobody wants

2630
02:09:17,910 --> 02:09:11,800
to be called crazy now to give you an

2631
02:09:22,080 --> 02:09:17,920
idea I've had sightings since 1970s with

2632
02:09:25,130 --> 02:09:22,090
wharfs has sightings in 1984 a

2633
02:09:29,760 --> 02:09:25,140
cigar-shaped craft flying over within

2634
02:09:32,220 --> 02:09:29,770
100 yards of me huge one I've had

2635
02:09:39,180 --> 02:09:32,230
sightings I had were sightings at

2636
02:09:41,210 --> 02:09:39,190
triangle sightings they began we didn't

2637
02:09:44,330 --> 02:09:41,220
have cell phones back then

2638
02:09:46,910 --> 02:09:44,340
and carry a camera in your car it has

2639
02:09:51,800 --> 02:09:46,920
worked because it's so hot out there

2640
02:09:54,290 --> 02:09:51,810
that Bailey spoken to them so I had all

2641
02:09:59,750 --> 02:09:54,300
these sightings it's all my career the

2642
02:10:02,030 --> 02:09:59,760
the thing is that since 2000 me and my

2643
02:10:08,140 --> 02:10:02,040
partner stand worse time to investigate

2644
02:10:19,100 --> 02:10:14,540
hauntings and skinwalkers and those are

2645
02:10:27,020 --> 02:10:19,110
very dangerous cases investigated when

2646
02:10:28,810 --> 02:10:27,030
we did this or since 2011 work we just

2647
02:10:32,780 --> 02:10:28,820
finished bul ok sir

2648
02:10:49,120 --> 02:10:32,790
we had contacted move on because we

2649
02:10:57,170 --> 02:10:53,510
in it stances it was around can begin

2650
02:11:10,100 --> 02:10:57,180
evoke convention down here and we'll see

2651
02:11:12,680 --> 02:11:10,110
the crazy people the different speakers

2652
02:11:17,570 --> 02:11:12,690
and move on and everybody else everybody

2653
02:11:21,170 --> 02:11:17,580
was really nice and I haven't run into

2654
02:11:24,080 --> 02:11:21,180
dr. khatai and I know there you have we

2655
02:11:27,110 --> 02:11:24,090
had this sighting you know the day

2656
02:11:28,820 --> 02:11:27,120
before the native slice she says oh my

2657
02:11:41,180 --> 02:11:28,830
god do you need to be speaking about

2658
02:11:43,030 --> 02:11:41,190
this what happens and Isis you know I'm

2659
02:11:47,240 --> 02:11:43,040
getting too old for this

2660
02:11:49,190 --> 02:11:47,250
I'm getting too old worried people think

2661
02:11:50,260 --> 02:11:49,200
about me I'm just gonna tell them the

2662
02:11:57,020 --> 02:11:50,270
truth

2663
02:12:00,770 --> 02:11:57,030
so from that point on it must asked us

2664
02:12:02,310 --> 02:12:00,780
to come speak for them we slowed pretty

2665
02:12:06,480 --> 02:12:02,320
far

2666
02:12:08,490 --> 02:12:06,490
when we didn't realize that the people

2667
02:12:11,880 --> 02:12:08,500
that were running the international

2668
02:12:16,110 --> 02:12:11,890
conference were there taking notes they

2669
02:12:19,230 --> 02:12:16,120
asked us the next year to speak I mean a

2670
02:12:20,970 --> 02:12:19,240
complete huge audience were speaking

2671
02:12:24,810 --> 02:12:20,980
about this that we put together a little

2672
02:12:25,710 --> 02:12:24,820
PowerPoint then and we have mob

2673
02:12:29,760 --> 02:12:25,720
afterwards

2674
02:12:33,840 --> 02:12:29,770
I mean three hours I was standing

2675
02:12:35,790 --> 02:12:33,850
outside talking to people the point that

2676
02:12:39,240 --> 02:12:35,800
I want to make is that this thing has

2677
02:12:41,520 --> 02:12:39,250
been going on long long time I ask

2678
02:12:44,310 --> 02:12:41,530
Native Americans why they don't report

2679
02:12:48,600 --> 02:12:44,320
this to the farm why don't they get on

2680
02:12:51,660 --> 02:12:48,610
the national UFO Reporting Center dr.

2681
02:12:55,200 --> 02:12:51,670
honored at work take down you know what

2682
02:12:57,480 --> 02:12:55,210
they tell me if we tell people about it

2683
02:13:19,230 --> 02:12:57,490
they'll all come out here and those

2684
02:14:15,150 --> 02:13:38,680
[Music]

2685
02:14:23,500 --> 02:14:20,500
okay and there's mr. Dover and chant yes

2686
02:14:25,690 --> 02:14:23,510
I'm here okay so yeah let's so let's go

2687
02:14:27,790 --> 02:14:25,700
ahead and try to bring in dr. khatai a

2688
02:14:30,430 --> 02:14:27,800
little bit early but we got through a

2689
02:14:32,350 --> 02:14:30,440
lot of materials pretty efficiently so

2690
02:14:35,050 --> 02:14:32,360
you want to go ahead and do that please

2691
02:14:37,210 --> 02:14:35,060
good shot it's not all interview you for

2692
02:14:38,980 --> 02:14:37,220
15 minutes haha that's fine I'm not sure

2693
02:14:41,110 --> 02:14:38,990
she'll be ready at 9:00 but I did want

2694
02:14:44,650 --> 02:14:41,120
to mention a few things the fact that

2695
02:14:49,960 --> 02:14:44,660
this event sold out so fast there were

2696
02:14:52,210 --> 02:14:49,970
300 people basically capacity in the

2697
02:14:55,900 --> 02:14:52,220
theater and they had to open up a new

2698
02:14:58,810 --> 02:14:55,910
theater at 1:30 just a few minutes after

2699
02:15:01,720 --> 02:14:58,820
that first show started just shows how

2700
02:15:03,460 --> 02:15:01,730
successful this event was people want to

2701
02:15:06,070 --> 02:15:03,470
hear about this topic regarding the

2702
02:15:09,220 --> 02:15:06,080
Phoenix lights that happened on March 13

2703
02:15:11,890 --> 02:15:09,230
1997 there isn't anything out there like

2704
02:15:13,679 --> 02:15:11,900
this movie that people can go to this

2705
02:15:18,029 --> 02:15:13,689
movie is helpful in that regard

2706
02:15:21,810 --> 02:15:18,039
it's also grassroots effort that has

2707
02:15:24,719 --> 02:15:21,820
been conducted very carefully and with a

2708
02:15:28,140 --> 02:15:24,729
lot of effort from a lot of people that

2709
02:15:31,379 --> 02:15:28,150
dr. Lin has reached out to over the

2710
02:15:33,629 --> 02:15:31,389
years there's also a book that this

2711
02:15:35,909 --> 02:15:33,639
movies based on it's called the Phoenix

2712
02:15:38,549 --> 02:15:35,919
lights a skeptics discovery that we are

2713
02:15:41,339 --> 02:15:38,559
not alone a really important book that's

2714
02:15:44,339 --> 02:15:41,349
on Amazon and I believe there is also a

2715
02:15:47,189 --> 02:15:44,349
documentary that is free for anyone to

2716
02:15:50,459 --> 02:15:47,199
view on Amazon Prime and I'll be asking

2717
02:15:52,620 --> 02:15:50,469
dr. could he tie about that tonight we

2718
02:15:55,259 --> 02:15:52,630
wanted to also mention one other thing

2719
02:15:57,419 --> 02:15:55,269
there's a Phoenix lights graphic novel

2720
02:15:59,699 --> 02:15:57,429
it's a coloring book packed with all

2721
02:16:01,890 --> 02:15:59,709
kinds of interesting curriculum related

2722
02:16:05,850 --> 02:16:01,900
to the Phoenix lights that she's been

2723
02:16:07,589 --> 02:16:05,860
compiling for seven years and dr. Keith

2724
02:16:09,629 --> 02:16:07,599
I mentioned something that's really

2725
02:16:12,479 --> 02:16:09,639
important to me and that is the reason

2726
02:16:15,719 --> 02:16:12,489
why she did this movie is because it's

2727
02:16:17,729 --> 02:16:15,729
always been about the data the data that

2728
02:16:22,020 --> 02:16:17,739
has been compiled about this mass

2729
02:16:23,759 --> 02:16:22,030
sighting event speaks for itself okay so

2730
02:16:26,429 --> 02:16:23,769
let's try to bring her in and see if she

2731
02:16:33,050 --> 02:16:26,439
is ready to go hang on a sec let's give

2732
02:16:44,370 --> 02:16:35,870
and not I'll just have to talk to you a

2733
02:16:51,940 --> 02:16:50,740
dr. dr. Lynne Frank here we're on the

2734
02:16:54,370 --> 02:16:51,950
air we're ready to go we're already

2735
02:16:56,320 --> 02:16:54,380
about two and a half hours in it's been

2736
02:17:02,350 --> 02:16:56,330
nothing but Phoenix likes to chitchat

2737
02:17:05,169 --> 02:17:02,360
for the whole evening yeah I understand

2738
02:17:07,209 --> 02:17:05,179
that you had the big event Sunday in

2739
02:17:09,310 --> 02:17:07,219
your estimation how does this one rank

2740
02:17:13,060 --> 02:17:09,320
up between the previous anniversary

2741
02:17:15,160 --> 02:17:13,070
celebrations well it's it's it just

2742
02:17:21,459 --> 02:17:15,170
keeps growing and growing and growing

2743
02:17:25,000 --> 02:17:21,469
our first year actually no idea what was

2744
02:17:28,030 --> 02:17:25,010
gonna happen and here there was a line

2745
02:17:30,430 --> 02:17:28,040
all the way around the block they had to

2746
02:17:33,430 --> 02:17:30,440
extend it for five weeks after the first

2747
02:17:35,950 --> 02:17:33,440
one this was back in 2004 I had stayed

2748
02:17:39,400 --> 02:17:35,960
anonymous for seven years did not want

2749
02:17:41,200 --> 02:17:39,410
to come forward but ultimately had a 750

2750
02:17:43,089 --> 02:17:41,210
page journal after I pushed my medical

2751
02:17:45,310 --> 02:17:43,099
career aside for seven years to try to

2752
02:17:46,900 --> 02:17:45,320
find a logical source of meaning for

2753
02:17:49,570 --> 02:17:46,910
what I had witnessed and photographed up

2754
02:17:51,940 --> 02:17:49,580
close and personal two years before the

2755
02:17:53,290 --> 02:17:51,950
mast sighting and I invite people to

2756
02:17:55,870 --> 02:17:53,300
look at the Phoenix lights Network

2757
02:18:01,290 --> 02:17:55,880
website the photo page and you'll see

2758
02:18:07,120 --> 02:18:05,020
we went to universities to military and

2759
02:18:09,339 --> 02:18:07,130
and others Brooks Institute of

2760
02:18:11,190 --> 02:18:09,349
Photography have all analyzed these

2761
02:18:14,650 --> 02:18:11,200
thirty five-millimeter I mean the

2762
02:18:16,839 --> 02:18:14,660
anomalous aerial phenomena are in the

2763
02:18:18,610 --> 02:18:16,849
negatives so they cannot be denied and

2764
02:18:21,310 --> 02:18:18,620
to this state they cannot be explained

2765
02:18:24,339 --> 02:18:21,320
their true unknowns so anyway the first

2766
02:18:27,459 --> 02:18:24,349
year was just outrageous and we took it

2767
02:18:29,200 --> 02:18:27,469
throughout the state and every year

2768
02:18:34,200 --> 02:18:29,210
after that I mean we used to have three

2769
02:18:38,110 --> 02:18:34,210
shows a day on on the Sunday after the

2770
02:18:39,730 --> 02:18:38,120
anniversary which is March 13th and it

2771
02:18:42,129 --> 02:18:39,740
was really getting to the point where

2772
02:18:43,660 --> 02:18:42,139
people just wanted to stay and we

2773
02:18:46,750 --> 02:18:43,670
thought jeez you know maybe we should

2774
02:18:49,810 --> 02:18:46,760
just do one show and have more speakers

2775
02:18:52,180 --> 02:18:49,820
and a Q&A afterwards which we began to

2776
02:18:55,209 --> 02:18:52,190
do several years ago it's been sold out

2777
02:18:57,670 --> 02:18:55,219
every single year but this is the first

2778
02:18:59,770 --> 02:18:57,680
year which is really over

2779
02:19:00,940 --> 02:18:59,780
I mean more and more people are opening

2780
02:19:05,041 --> 02:19:00,950
up to this and this is the only

2781
02:19:08,560 --> 02:19:05,051
mainstream event that we know of that

2782
02:19:10,360 --> 02:19:08,570
really offers to the general public a

2783
02:19:13,000 --> 02:19:10,370
place to go where they can feel

2784
02:19:15,120 --> 02:19:13,010
comfortable and relaxed and see a movie

2785
02:19:18,630 --> 02:19:15,130
or internationally award-winning

2786
02:19:21,460 --> 02:19:18,640
documentary as well as here speakers

2787
02:19:23,740 --> 02:19:21,470
that are connected with the with the

2788
02:19:26,620 --> 02:19:23,750
topic and in some way mostly the Phoenix

2789
02:19:29,200 --> 02:19:26,630
lights we have Navajo Rangers who are

2790
02:19:31,530 --> 02:19:29,210
amazing they actually had a big sighting

2791
02:19:34,240 --> 02:19:31,540
the day before our mass sighting and

2792
02:19:36,400 --> 02:19:34,250
they talked about that we have other

2793
02:19:39,550 --> 02:19:36,410
Zuni elders because there really is a

2794
02:19:41,140 --> 02:19:39,560
very strong connection between Native

2795
02:19:44,620 --> 02:19:41,150
Americans and indigenous peoples

2796
02:19:47,620 --> 02:19:44,630
worldwide and these other intelligences

2797
02:19:49,830 --> 02:19:47,630
these other phenomena so you know that's

2798
02:19:52,410 --> 02:19:49,840
exciting to have them this year we had

2799
02:19:55,060 --> 02:19:52,420
Councilwoman vice mayor at the time

2800
02:19:58,330 --> 02:19:55,070
Frances Barwood and she's terrific I

2801
02:20:01,570 --> 02:19:58,340
mean she really I mean she took all the

2802
02:20:04,180 --> 02:20:01,580
brunt of the ridicule and criticism when

2803
02:20:06,461 --> 02:20:04,190
she came forward months later in May to

2804
02:20:10,120 --> 02:20:06,471
just innocently ask for an investigation

2805
02:20:12,610 --> 02:20:10,130
and she she took it on the chin and and

2806
02:20:15,041 --> 02:20:12,620
then ran for Secretary of State three

2807
02:20:18,160 --> 02:20:15,051
years later to get answers for the mass

2808
02:20:20,770 --> 02:20:18,170
sighting and he or she was asking for a

2809
02:20:22,240 --> 02:20:20,780
reenactment as well and most people out

2810
02:20:25,511 --> 02:20:22,250
there don't know this and if you go to

2811
02:20:27,461 --> 02:20:25,521
the Phoenix lights Network website and

2812
02:20:30,490 --> 02:20:27,471
go to the news page scroll down a little

2813
02:20:34,600 --> 02:20:30,500
bit and you'll see the 8th Arizona

2814
02:20:37,720 --> 02:20:34,610
Family Channel 3 report where they show

2815
02:20:39,131 --> 02:20:37,730
where three Air National Guard's came

2816
02:20:42,430 --> 02:20:39,141
into town right before the third

2817
02:20:44,950 --> 02:20:42,440
anniversary and tried to react the

2818
02:20:48,011 --> 02:20:44,960
Phoenix lights and it was just I mean

2819
02:20:50,560 --> 02:20:48,021
you know it was a joke I mean they have

2820
02:20:53,980 --> 02:20:50,570
never reenacted has never been recreated

2821
02:20:55,990 --> 02:20:53,990
or explained to this day and even though

2822
02:20:57,490 --> 02:20:56,000
they tried it really convinced the

2823
02:20:59,501 --> 02:20:57,500
witnesses that it definitely wasn't

2824
02:21:03,070 --> 02:20:59,511
flares and they have never ever

2825
02:21:04,690 --> 02:21:03,080
addressed the craft and you know if

2826
02:21:07,120 --> 02:21:04,700
people again go to the Phoenix lights

2827
02:21:10,809 --> 02:21:07,130
Network website and go on the gap page

2828
02:21:13,750 --> 02:21:10,819
gaap geospatial animation project

2829
02:21:16,659 --> 02:21:13,760
I only are the nine crafts that after a

2830
02:21:18,250 --> 02:21:16,669
12-year study of thousands of reports to

2831
02:21:20,769 --> 02:21:18,260
the national UFO Reporting Center in

2832
02:21:24,540 --> 02:21:20,779
Seattle Washington to Arizona MUFON you

2833
02:21:28,929 --> 02:21:24,550
chew off the network to Councilwoman

2834
02:21:31,500 --> 02:21:28,939
vice there Frances Barwood as well as to

2835
02:21:34,059 --> 02:21:31,510
village lies which was a clearinghouse

2836
02:21:35,859 --> 02:21:34,069
compiled and two or more people had to

2837
02:21:38,979 --> 02:21:35,869
see the same craft and they were

2838
02:21:40,569 --> 02:21:38,989
actually nine different craft and just a

2839
02:21:43,119 --> 02:21:40,579
couple years ago

2840
02:21:46,029 --> 02:21:43,129
it was discovered that there was a tenth

2841
02:21:49,719 --> 02:21:46,039
craft that covered Prescott which is

2842
02:21:52,840 --> 02:21:49,729
about two hours north of Phoenix and it

2843
02:21:54,639 --> 02:21:52,850
was the same craft they sue Watson who

2844
02:21:56,979 --> 02:21:54,649
was one of our speakers this year and

2845
02:21:58,389 --> 02:21:56,989
her family saw Traverse right over

2846
02:21:59,590 --> 02:21:58,399
Camelback Mountain that was a little bit

2847
02:22:01,479 --> 02:21:59,600
of a coincidence

2848
02:22:04,979 --> 02:22:01,489
we have learned that there there are no

2849
02:22:07,659 --> 02:22:04,989
coincidences or the Phoenix lights or

2850
02:22:12,099 --> 02:22:07,669
just it's just amazing you look at that

2851
02:22:14,409 --> 02:22:12,109
in our documentary DVD we actually have

2852
02:22:15,279 --> 02:22:14,419
the coincidences that happened on March

2853
02:22:18,189 --> 02:22:15,289
13th

2854
02:22:21,119 --> 02:22:18,199
number one there was a satellite that

2855
02:22:24,309 --> 02:22:21,129
was actually built in Chandler Arizona

2856
02:22:27,429 --> 02:22:24,319
close to Phoenix that was supposed to

2857
02:22:29,679 --> 02:22:27,439
detect incoming missiles and it went

2858
02:22:33,040 --> 02:22:29,689
dead that night on March 13th

2859
02:22:43,510 --> 02:22:33,050
that was number one number two months

2860
02:22:45,099 --> 02:22:43,520
later dr. Winn hmm we might need to

2861
02:22:48,550 --> 02:22:45,109
bring her back in and while you're doing

2862
02:22:50,439 --> 02:22:48,560
that I can talk just for a moment yeah

2863
02:22:50,939 --> 02:22:50,449
you broke up a little bit there sorry

2864
02:22:56,619 --> 02:22:50,949
about that

2865
02:22:58,630 --> 02:22:56,629
are we back yep you're with the first

2866
02:23:00,279 --> 02:22:58,640
one or the second one uh you're talking

2867
02:23:03,849 --> 02:23:00,289
about that Prescott there was an

2868
02:23:05,409 --> 02:23:03,859
additional craft over Prescott oh geez

2869
02:23:07,389 --> 02:23:05,419
so we didn't get to the coincidences

2870
02:23:09,519 --> 02:23:07,399
okay sorry about that yeah you're right

2871
02:23:12,489 --> 02:23:09,529
but you got to the coincidence okay yes

2872
02:23:13,960 --> 02:23:12,499
okay so we the first one was a satellite

2873
02:23:16,809 --> 02:23:13,970
that went dead that night that was

2874
02:23:20,739 --> 02:23:16,819
supposed to detect incoming missiles the

2875
02:23:24,640 --> 02:23:20,749
second was actually interesting because

2876
02:23:28,001 --> 02:23:24,650
months later in July of 97 there

2877
02:23:29,591 --> 02:23:28,011
a three-page article about strange gamma

2878
02:23:32,410 --> 02:23:29,601
rays that came into our atmosphere

2879
02:23:36,610 --> 02:23:32,420
didn't talk about the Phoenix lights but

2880
02:23:41,320 --> 02:23:36,620
that happened on March 13th 1997 also

2881
02:23:44,560 --> 02:23:41,330
then President Clinton Bill Clinton was

2882
02:23:49,360 --> 02:23:44,570
actually a Greg Norman the golfers house

2883
02:23:52,751 --> 02:23:49,370
in Florida and he was rushed out to an

2884
02:23:54,961 --> 02:23:52,761
undisclosed location what the news said

2885
02:23:57,850 --> 02:23:54,971
afterwards was that he broke his knee

2886
02:24:00,131 --> 02:23:57,860
but there he fractured his knee but

2887
02:24:01,751 --> 02:24:00,141
there was no pictures of that to this

2888
02:24:04,240 --> 02:24:01,761
day we have not been able to find any

2889
02:24:07,450 --> 02:24:04,250
pictures of that but be that as it may

2890
02:24:09,220 --> 02:24:07,460
that happened on March 13th and also and

2891
02:24:11,980 --> 02:24:09,230
this is a speculation of course I was

2892
02:24:14,410 --> 02:24:11,990
told that we went to DEFCON 3 that night

2893
02:24:17,801 --> 02:24:14,420
so we're talking about a number of

2894
02:24:20,110 --> 02:24:17,811
coincidences just on March 13th but

2895
02:24:23,610 --> 02:24:20,120
there are so much more there are so many

2896
02:24:26,860 --> 02:24:23,620
many more Serendipity's that happened

2897
02:24:29,440 --> 02:24:26,870
before and after the mass sighting that

2898
02:24:31,301 --> 02:24:29,450
I share in the book the Phoenix lights a

2899
02:24:33,990 --> 02:24:31,311
skeptics discovery that we are not alone

2900
02:24:36,881 --> 02:24:34,000
because after seven years of

2901
02:24:38,711 --> 02:24:36,891
meticulously researching and looking for

2902
02:24:42,940 --> 02:24:38,721
a logical explanation which I have yet

2903
02:24:45,581 --> 02:24:42,950
to find 22 years later ultimately as a

2904
02:24:48,430 --> 02:24:45,591
scientist trying to be as meticulous as

2905
02:24:51,070 --> 02:24:48,440
I could be in documenting the data as a

2906
02:24:53,560 --> 02:24:51,080
physician to let people know that

2907
02:24:56,320 --> 02:24:53,570
they're not not not only are they not

2908
02:24:59,501 --> 02:24:56,330
alone in what's going on but even though

2909
02:25:01,211 --> 02:24:59,511
most anomalies can be explained when

2910
02:25:03,461 --> 02:25:01,221
somebody has a paranormal experience

2911
02:25:06,400 --> 02:25:03,471
it's real to them and if they don't

2912
02:25:07,930 --> 02:25:06,410
share it with someone it festers and I

2913
02:25:09,761 --> 02:25:07,940
always invite people to go to the

2914
02:25:12,700 --> 02:25:09,771
website Phoenix lights Network or

2915
02:25:15,100 --> 02:25:12,710
message me on Facebook and at the

2916
02:25:18,551 --> 02:25:15,110
Phoenix lights Network Facebook page and

2917
02:25:20,980 --> 02:25:18,561
just share just share your experience it

2918
02:25:23,230 --> 02:25:20,990
is so healing and so cathartic so that

2919
02:25:24,671 --> 02:25:23,240
was another reason I had to come forward

2920
02:25:26,470 --> 02:25:24,681
and of course to set the record straight

2921
02:25:29,890 --> 02:25:26,480
because there was so much miss and

2922
02:25:31,990 --> 02:25:29,900
disinformation happening surrounding the

2923
02:25:35,280 --> 02:25:32,000
mass sighting I mean we hear all the

2924
02:25:38,470 --> 02:25:35,290
time people feed into the media

2925
02:25:40,480 --> 02:25:38,480
portrayal of two separate events which

2926
02:25:45,251 --> 02:25:40,490
is not correct number one there's never

2927
02:25:46,900 --> 02:25:45,261
been any documentation of flares being

2928
02:25:49,900 --> 02:25:46,910
sent off although they may have been

2929
02:25:52,331 --> 02:25:49,910
because I actually you know was told

2930
02:25:56,951 --> 02:25:52,341
that there was operation Snowbird which

2931
02:25:59,261 --> 02:25:56,961
by the Air National Guard that night of

2932
02:26:01,751 --> 02:25:59,271
March 13th which is interesting because

2933
02:26:03,970 --> 02:26:01,761
I found found out that Snowbird means

2934
02:26:06,310 --> 02:26:03,980
divers very tactical maneuvers so they

2935
02:26:08,261 --> 02:26:06,320
may have sent off some flares but not

2936
02:26:11,770 --> 02:26:08,271
one person that I've talked to or heard

2937
02:26:14,801 --> 02:26:11,780
about in 22 years saw what flares do was

2938
02:26:16,661 --> 02:26:14,811
quite the contrary and not only that

2939
02:26:19,570 --> 02:26:16,671
there's just so much more to the story

2940
02:26:21,430 --> 02:26:19,580
as a an experience or certainly I

2941
02:26:23,230 --> 02:26:21,440
understood what it's like to see

2942
02:26:26,560 --> 02:26:23,240
something that it's just so outside of

2943
02:26:28,600 --> 02:26:26,570
our realm of reality and you know being

2944
02:26:32,140 --> 02:26:28,610
able to deal with with that in and of

2945
02:26:35,020 --> 02:26:32,150
itself and then it's an educator for 40

2946
02:26:38,740 --> 02:26:35,030
years I've actually dedicated my life's

2947
02:26:41,621 --> 02:26:38,750
work to the dissemination of vital

2948
02:26:44,461 --> 02:26:41,631
health issues to the community and when

2949
02:26:47,470 --> 02:26:44,471
this fell in my lap ultimately I felt

2950
02:26:49,600 --> 02:26:47,480
obliged to do the same for this vital

2951
02:26:52,631 --> 02:26:49,610
issue so the rest is history

2952
02:26:55,091 --> 02:26:52,641
got a doctor I just wanted to bring up

2953
02:26:56,711 --> 02:26:55,101
something that's important and so I'll

2954
02:26:58,841 --> 02:26:56,721
just talk for a moment and then I'll ask

2955
02:27:01,600 --> 02:26:58,851
my question and that is something that

2956
02:27:06,100 --> 02:27:01,610
you brought up during the Phoenix lights

2957
02:27:07,871 --> 02:27:06,110
movie the panel and that was this was

2958
02:27:09,881 --> 02:27:07,881
not just one or two events that happened

2959
02:27:12,461 --> 02:27:09,891
the actual event happened at 3 p.m. and

2960
02:27:14,140 --> 02:27:12,471
continued on to till 5:30 a.m. the next

2961
02:27:15,850 --> 02:27:14,150
morning there were different things

2962
02:27:19,331 --> 02:27:15,860
happening in different areas so it was a

2963
02:27:22,001 --> 02:27:19,341
parade over a dozen hours this event

2964
02:27:24,371 --> 02:27:22,011
also has taken place over centuries as

2965
02:27:26,680 --> 02:27:24,381
well the Native Americans have reported

2966
02:27:34,541 --> 02:27:26,690
seeing these kinds of crafts for

2967
02:27:37,270 --> 02:27:34,551
centuries can you touch on that chant

2968
02:27:40,360 --> 02:27:37,280
because again so much missing

2969
02:27:43,690 --> 02:27:40,370
disinformation not only were these

2970
02:27:45,761 --> 02:27:43,700
phenomena appearing for weeks before and

2971
02:27:48,940 --> 02:27:45,771
if you go to the photo page on Phoenix

2972
02:27:52,331 --> 02:27:48,950
sites Network website I didn't even

2973
02:27:54,311 --> 02:27:52,341
realize because we were so focused

2974
02:27:55,930 --> 02:27:54,321
the close orbs that my both my husband

2975
02:27:58,241 --> 02:27:55,940
is also a physician and a healthy

2976
02:28:00,911 --> 02:27:58,251
skeptic so right outside our bedroom

2977
02:28:03,161 --> 02:28:00,921
window were high on the mountain in

2978
02:28:05,921 --> 02:28:03,171
Paradise Valley and a panoramic view of

2979
02:28:07,961 --> 02:28:05,931
the city skyline so we know what planes

2980
02:28:10,091 --> 02:28:07,971
and helicopters and streetlights and car

2981
02:28:13,151 --> 02:28:10,101
lights are these were quite different

2982
02:28:16,211 --> 02:28:13,161
they were very close to our home a

2983
02:28:19,331 --> 02:28:16,221
little below us actually and we're

2984
02:28:22,511 --> 02:28:19,341
talking about these orbs that are very

2985
02:28:25,321 --> 02:28:22,521
prominent in the history of native

2986
02:28:28,331 --> 02:28:25,331
cultures as well and I had no idea until

2987
02:28:29,801 --> 02:28:28,341
coincidentally six months before the

2988
02:28:31,930 --> 02:28:29,811
mass sighting I was invited to present

2989
02:28:34,451 --> 02:28:31,940
my substance abuse prevention education

2990
02:28:37,600 --> 02:28:34,461
program at the Gila Bend Indian

2991
02:28:40,061 --> 02:28:37,610
Reservation which is in the basin

2992
02:28:43,031 --> 02:28:40,071
between South Mountain which is just

2993
02:28:46,901 --> 02:28:43,041
south of the airport and then that's

2994
02:28:48,881 --> 02:28:46,911
then the Estrella mountains are a few

2995
02:28:51,881 --> 02:28:48,891
miles back and the basin in between is

2996
02:28:53,470 --> 02:28:51,891
very sacred ground and what I noticed

2997
02:28:55,001 --> 02:28:53,480
and if you go just a photo page on the

2998
02:28:57,671 --> 02:28:55,011
Phoenix lights Network website you'll

2999
02:29:01,061 --> 02:28:57,681
see the topography of South Mountain on

3000
02:29:03,671 --> 02:29:01,071
the left and a few miles back is the

3001
02:29:05,890 --> 02:29:03,681
Estrella mountains on the right and they

3002
02:29:07,511 --> 02:29:05,900
intersect in the middle there well

3003
02:29:09,161 --> 02:29:07,521
that's where the Gila Bend Indian

3004
02:29:12,041 --> 02:29:09,171
Reservation is and it seemed that these

3005
02:29:15,251 --> 02:29:12,051
phenomena kept popping up right in that

3006
02:29:17,231 --> 02:29:15,261
area so I called him up they usually

3007
02:29:19,871 --> 02:29:17,241
don't talk to outsiders but I helped him

3008
02:29:22,241 --> 02:29:19,881
out six months before and I said did

3009
02:29:25,331 --> 02:29:22,251
anybody happen to see strange lights on

3010
02:29:27,390 --> 02:29:25,341
March 13th and they started to giggle

3011
02:29:30,341 --> 02:29:27,400
and I said is that funny

3012
02:29:32,321 --> 02:29:30,351
and they said are you kidding we've been

3013
02:29:34,751 --> 02:29:32,331
looking up at them for centuries we call

3014
02:29:36,941 --> 02:29:34,761
them sky people light beings it's part

3015
02:29:39,371 --> 02:29:36,951
of their culture they're very open to

3016
02:29:41,051 --> 02:29:39,381
these other intelligences being out

3017
02:29:44,501 --> 02:29:41,061
there and actually the hope you are

3018
02:29:47,501 --> 02:29:44,511
you're in Arizona and many other native

3019
02:29:50,771 --> 02:29:47,511
cultures have protocols to invite these

3020
02:29:52,421 --> 02:29:50,781
phenomena in many feel that these orbs

3021
02:29:54,371 --> 02:29:52,431
what my husband and I saw right outside

3022
02:29:57,100 --> 02:29:54,381
our bedroom window and thousands of

3023
02:30:00,161 --> 02:29:57,110
people saw on March 13 that seemed to

3024
02:30:02,261 --> 02:30:00,171
either be attached to something or had a

3025
02:30:04,511 --> 02:30:02,271
force field in between when it went over

3026
02:30:06,011 --> 02:30:04,521
people's heads there was a it blocked

3027
02:30:09,040 --> 02:30:06,021
out the Stars and

3028
02:30:12,100 --> 02:30:09,050
these orbs and some people saw the

3029
02:30:14,500 --> 02:30:12,110
crafts and these orbs detached from the

3030
02:30:16,961 --> 02:30:14,510
craft go out into the environment and

3031
02:30:18,700 --> 02:30:16,971
then redock with it later well anyway

3032
02:30:23,110 --> 02:30:18,710
the native cultures believe that these

3033
02:30:25,270 --> 02:30:23,120
orbs many of them that our ancestors or

3034
02:30:28,000 --> 02:30:25,280
spirit world coming to give them

3035
02:30:30,551 --> 02:30:28,010
guidance and knowledge and inspiration

3036
02:30:32,290 --> 02:30:30,561
and I have to admit I certainly have

3037
02:30:34,480 --> 02:30:32,300
been inspired to do what I'm doing and

3038
02:30:36,551 --> 02:30:34,490
you can tell how passionate I am because

3039
02:30:39,220 --> 02:30:36,561
it's so interesting so intriguing and

3040
02:30:41,440 --> 02:30:39,230
the data speaks for itself but then I

3041
02:30:44,830 --> 02:30:41,450
learned not only did they tell me that

3042
02:30:47,560 --> 02:30:44,840
the astraeus got its name because it

3043
02:30:50,381 --> 02:30:47,570
means star in Spanish and the lore of

3044
02:30:52,600 --> 02:30:50,391
the day when when it was given its name

3045
02:30:53,921 --> 02:30:52,610
was that these phenomena have been

3046
02:30:57,310 --> 02:30:53,931
around for centuries

3047
02:30:59,620 --> 02:30:57,320
they're centuries-old petroglyphs on the

3048
02:31:01,180 --> 02:30:59,630
mountains that you know there are

3049
02:31:03,520 --> 02:31:01,190
several people that are studying them

3050
02:31:06,310 --> 02:31:03,530
now that are very interesting and

3051
02:31:07,990 --> 02:31:06,320
actually identical to what we saw not

3052
02:31:10,750 --> 02:31:08,000
only outside our bedroom window three

3053
02:31:14,560 --> 02:31:10,760
orbs in a triangle formation a pyramid

3054
02:31:16,870 --> 02:31:14,570
formation but even the boomerang that

3055
02:31:18,820 --> 02:31:16,880
people saw in March 13th

3056
02:31:22,600 --> 02:31:18,830
a Jeff will wine is one of the people

3057
02:31:24,370 --> 02:31:22,610
that discover that one and then when you

3058
02:31:26,650 --> 02:31:24,380
when you hear the rest of the story I

3059
02:31:30,580 --> 02:31:26,660
mean it's amazing that they feel that

3060
02:31:33,341 --> 02:31:30,590
there is also a portal or a gateway in

3061
02:31:35,261 --> 02:31:33,351
that area and again if you just look at

3062
02:31:36,640 --> 02:31:35,271
the data it speaks for itself you can

3063
02:31:39,131 --> 02:31:36,650
make up your own mind I'm not trying to

3064
02:31:41,410 --> 02:31:39,141
convince anybody of anything but if you

3065
02:31:44,320 --> 02:31:41,420
go to the photo page on the Phoenix

3066
02:31:47,290 --> 02:31:44,330
lights Network website there's again the

3067
02:31:50,500 --> 02:31:47,300
topography there's skylights and a house

3068
02:31:52,570 --> 02:31:50,510
down the street from us and it happens

3069
02:31:54,610 --> 02:31:52,580
to be those skylights happen to be

3070
02:31:56,830 --> 02:31:54,620
positioned right where South Mountain

3071
02:31:58,180 --> 02:31:56,840
and the Astraeus intersect so you can

3072
02:32:00,761 --> 02:31:58,190
see over and over again

3073
02:32:03,430 --> 02:32:00,771
these phenomena pop up right there and

3074
02:32:06,280 --> 02:32:03,440
what's also interesting is it two months

3075
02:32:08,500 --> 02:32:06,290
before the mass sighting after having

3076
02:32:10,390 --> 02:32:08,510
the close sighting in 95 and wondering

3077
02:32:11,830 --> 02:32:10,400
what this advanced technology was doing

3078
02:32:15,060 --> 02:32:11,840
outside our bedroom window

3079
02:32:18,640 --> 02:32:15,070
these phenomena over a mile wide

3080
02:32:19,661 --> 02:32:18,650
appeared at a distance near the airport

3081
02:32:21,821 --> 02:32:19,671
it seemed

3082
02:32:24,400 --> 02:32:21,831
and I called around the next morning and

3083
02:32:26,890 --> 02:32:24,410
found air traffic controllers at Sky

3084
02:32:30,430 --> 02:32:26,900
Harbor International Airport who saw the

3085
02:32:31,810 --> 02:32:30,440
same thing at the same time over Class B

3086
02:32:34,361 --> 02:32:31,820
restricted airspace they were very

3087
02:32:38,470 --> 02:32:34,371
forthcoming initially did not show up on

3088
02:32:40,390 --> 02:32:38,480
radar and what they described were six

3089
02:32:42,581 --> 02:32:40,400
points of light because they were alarm

3090
02:32:45,190 --> 02:32:42,591
anybody that comes into that airspace

3091
02:32:46,841 --> 02:32:45,200
it's like a thirty mile radius around

3092
02:32:49,541 --> 02:32:46,851
the center of the airport and this was

3093
02:32:53,560 --> 02:32:49,551
close to their Tower anyone that comes

3094
02:32:56,440 --> 02:32:53,570
into that space and we're talking that a

3095
02:32:59,051 --> 02:32:56,450
thousand feet altitude must call into

3096
02:33:00,611 --> 02:32:59,061
the tower and no one did so they picked

3097
02:33:03,461 --> 02:33:00,621
up their binoculars to look it in their

3098
02:33:05,281 --> 02:33:03,471
own words they saw six points of light

3099
02:33:08,201 --> 02:33:05,291
totally equidistant from each other

3100
02:33:11,440 --> 02:33:08,211
massive span in their own words that

3101
02:33:13,301 --> 02:33:11,450
seemed to be attached to something but

3102
02:33:15,701 --> 02:33:13,311
they couldn't quite see what these

3103
02:33:17,560 --> 02:33:15,711
lights were attached to and one of them

3104
02:33:20,171 --> 02:33:17,570
was a meteorologist and this was key

3105
02:33:22,661 --> 02:33:20,181
because people are now coming up with

3106
02:33:26,531 --> 02:33:22,671
some theories it the wind carried these

3107
02:33:30,671 --> 02:33:26,541
thing whatever he says to me the entire

3108
02:33:34,991 --> 02:33:30,681
thing as a unit turned against the wind

3109
02:33:37,150 --> 02:33:35,001
and then elevate it slowly and moved in

3110
02:33:39,491 --> 02:33:37,160
synchrony behind South Mountain which is

3111
02:33:42,011 --> 02:33:39,501
just south of the airport so I said so

3112
02:33:43,631 --> 02:33:42,021
what were they and there was silence and

3113
02:33:45,581 --> 02:33:43,641
then one of the air-traffic controller

3114
02:33:46,871 --> 02:33:45,591
says beats me I said you're air traffic

3115
02:33:49,031 --> 02:33:46,881
controllers you're supposed to know

3116
02:33:51,791 --> 02:33:49,041
what's in our airspace they had no clue

3117
02:33:55,720 --> 02:33:51,801
they were ruled out every conventional

3118
02:33:58,541 --> 02:33:55,730
aircraft balloons helicopters Chinese

3119
02:34:00,341 --> 02:33:58,551
lanterns even skydivers with lights and

3120
02:34:02,440 --> 02:34:00,351
we stayed in contact

3121
02:34:04,810 --> 02:34:02,450
I continued photographing these

3122
02:34:06,791 --> 02:34:04,820
phenomena I just felt compelled as a

3123
02:34:10,991 --> 02:34:06,801
scientist to get it documented on film

3124
02:34:12,430 --> 02:34:11,001
up into an including March 13th when

3125
02:34:14,680 --> 02:34:12,440
thousands of people were outside

3126
02:34:16,571 --> 02:34:14,690
purposely looking up at the sky for a

3127
02:34:19,331 --> 02:34:16,581
hit for a view of the help up comet

3128
02:34:23,831 --> 02:34:19,341
which was very clear in the northwest

3129
02:34:25,810 --> 02:34:23,841
sky when they also saw these mile two we

3130
02:34:28,031 --> 02:34:25,820
just found out last year Peter Davenport

3131
02:34:31,031 --> 02:34:28,041
the director of the national UFO

3132
02:34:32,520 --> 02:34:31,041
Reporting Center in Seattle from his

3133
02:34:35,711 --> 02:34:32,530
study of the data

3134
02:34:37,830 --> 02:34:35,721
concluded that one of these objects was

3135
02:34:41,200 --> 02:34:37,840
eight miles wide I mean that's just

3136
02:34:42,730 --> 02:34:41,210
mind-boggling and you know the rest is

3137
02:34:44,950 --> 02:34:42,740
history again they were silent

3138
02:34:47,740 --> 02:34:44,960
they were rooftop level just gliding

3139
02:34:49,120 --> 02:34:47,750
along very very slowly some people said

3140
02:34:52,350 --> 02:34:49,130
they could have thrown a rock at it and

3141
02:34:55,180 --> 02:34:52,360
then taking off at the blinks fleed or

3142
02:34:57,370 --> 02:34:55,190
actually one of them broke into and shut

3143
02:34:59,860 --> 02:34:57,380
off go to the Gap page GAAP and you'll

3144
02:35:02,051 --> 02:34:59,870
see it's different craft and two or more

3145
02:35:05,740 --> 02:35:02,061
people had to see the same craft what's

3146
02:35:07,750 --> 02:35:05,750
interesting is that whether it was one

3147
02:35:10,060 --> 02:35:07,760
craft that could morph into looking

3148
02:35:12,100 --> 02:35:10,070
different or the perspective from where

3149
02:35:15,640 --> 02:35:12,110
the they were standing at the time

3150
02:35:18,910 --> 02:35:15,650
because even when I saw the six lights

3151
02:35:21,551 --> 02:35:18,920
pop up in the same location on march

3152
02:35:23,440 --> 02:35:21,561
13th during the mass sighting as two

3153
02:35:24,910 --> 02:35:23,450
months before by the time I got out

3154
02:35:27,131 --> 02:35:24,920
there with my video camera it had

3155
02:35:29,980 --> 02:35:27,141
changed to three like the end points of

3156
02:35:32,381 --> 02:35:29,990
a giant V or triangle and that's the

3157
02:35:34,480 --> 02:35:32,391
only video by the way it was taken

3158
02:35:38,020 --> 02:35:34,490
before ten o'clock that has been

3159
02:35:39,940 --> 02:35:38,030
verified by optical experts as a true

3160
02:35:41,500 --> 02:35:39,950
known and also verified by air traffic

3161
02:35:45,461 --> 02:35:41,510
controllers I was seeing at the same

3162
02:35:48,190 --> 02:35:45,471
time and Kurt Russell the actor was

3163
02:35:51,370 --> 02:35:48,200
actually on approach to Sky Harbor with

3164
02:35:53,591 --> 02:35:51,380
his son Private Pilot about a half-mile

3165
02:35:56,591 --> 02:35:53,601
out and he saw the same thing he saw the

3166
02:35:59,020 --> 02:35:56,601
six lights and a v-formation as I was

3167
02:36:01,600 --> 02:35:59,030
photographing them so that's pretty

3168
02:36:04,870 --> 02:36:01,610
interesting in and of itself but as you

3169
02:36:06,461 --> 02:36:04,880
mentioned chant on the day of March 13th

3170
02:36:08,290 --> 02:36:06,471
and and that's that's what's very

3171
02:36:10,360 --> 02:36:08,300
interesting because people try to just

3172
02:36:13,841 --> 02:36:10,370
hone in on march 13th this is happening

3173
02:36:15,400 --> 02:36:13,851
for weeks before but on march 13th and

3174
02:36:18,341 --> 02:36:15,410
years by the way because if you go to

3175
02:36:21,820 --> 02:36:18,351
the 95 pictures that I have of the close

3176
02:36:25,511 --> 02:36:21,830
orbs the same exact phenomenon is in the

3177
02:36:27,540 --> 02:36:25,521
same exact location probably over Class

3178
02:36:31,180 --> 02:36:27,550
B restricted airspace it looks the same

3179
02:36:33,640 --> 02:36:31,190
in 95 two years before the mast sighting

3180
02:36:35,650 --> 02:36:33,650
disappearing as the clothes were

3181
02:36:38,320 --> 02:36:35,660
disappearing so then they've been around

3182
02:36:41,261 --> 02:36:38,330
for a long time but be that as it may on

3183
02:36:43,480 --> 02:36:41,271
March 13th the sightings did not begin

3184
02:36:44,820 --> 02:36:43,490
the first report we have or daylight

3185
02:36:47,980 --> 02:36:44,830
sightings in Arizona

3186
02:36:49,421 --> 02:36:47,990
five o'clock hour by Native Americans in

3187
02:36:53,200 --> 02:36:49,431
New Mexico

3188
02:36:55,001 --> 02:36:53,210
seven o'clock hour in California 11

3189
02:36:57,400 --> 02:36:55,011
o'clock hour there are two commercial

3190
02:37:00,220 --> 02:36:57,410
airline pilots two separate airline

3191
02:37:02,860 --> 02:37:00,230
pilots that tried reporting one of these

3192
02:37:05,350 --> 02:37:02,870
mile-wide crap that was just covering

3193
02:37:08,440 --> 02:37:05,360
Las Vegas and they got freaked out

3194
02:37:10,150 --> 02:37:08,450
because some authorities got on the on

3195
02:37:12,131 --> 02:37:10,160
the loudspeaker and we're asking all

3196
02:37:14,381 --> 02:37:12,141
kinds of questions I have that story in

3197
02:37:16,180 --> 02:37:14,391
my book and then these sightings

3198
02:37:18,640 --> 02:37:16,190
continued even though the bulk of

3199
02:37:19,720 --> 02:37:18,650
reports did come in between 8:00 and

3200
02:37:22,211 --> 02:37:19,730
10:00 because that's when most people

3201
02:37:24,581 --> 02:37:22,221
were outside looking up at the sky they

3202
02:37:28,240 --> 02:37:24,591
help up comment but the phenomena

3203
02:37:31,350 --> 02:37:28,250
continued all the way until 5:30 the

3204
02:37:34,001 --> 02:37:31,360
next morning the last report we have

3205
02:37:37,541 --> 02:37:34,011
officially and it was actually said to

3206
02:37:39,161 --> 02:37:37,551
me personally by a Boeing crewman who is

3207
02:37:42,041 --> 02:37:39,171
coming in to Sky Harbor International

3208
02:37:44,140 --> 02:37:42,051
Airport with his crew and they all saw

3209
02:37:47,490 --> 02:37:44,150
one of these mile wide craft over there

3210
02:37:49,810 --> 02:37:47,500
tarmac so we're talking many many hours

3211
02:37:52,121 --> 02:37:49,820
we're talking many different things

3212
02:37:55,270 --> 02:37:52,131
going on a parade that was going on

3213
02:38:03,070 --> 02:37:55,280
throughout our state and beyond so there

3214
02:38:04,900 --> 02:38:03,080
is much more much more to this story one

3215
02:38:06,100 --> 02:38:04,910
guy that I was never familiar with it

3216
02:38:08,591 --> 02:38:06,110
that chant picked up a couple of

3217
02:38:10,331 --> 02:38:08,601
interviews with that I got a real kick

3218
02:38:12,520 --> 02:38:10,341
out of listening to and that was Brad

3219
02:38:14,501 --> 02:38:12,530
Evans he's was in I was not at all

3220
02:38:16,961 --> 02:38:14,511
familiar with why don't you talk a

3221
02:38:18,761 --> 02:38:16,971
little bit a bit about Brad and how he

3222
02:38:21,280 --> 02:38:18,771
came forward and how he got involved

3223
02:38:24,700 --> 02:38:21,290
with all this yeah it's very interesting

3224
02:38:27,581 --> 02:38:24,710
because he's a psychiatrist he was

3225
02:38:30,490 --> 02:38:27,591
coming up from Tucson which is two hours

3226
02:38:32,950 --> 02:38:30,500
south of Phoenix with his family was his

3227
02:38:35,110 --> 02:38:32,960
wife was driving his daughter I think

3228
02:38:36,730 --> 02:38:35,120
she was 11 years old at the time was

3229
02:38:39,761 --> 02:38:36,740
coming up with her friend in the

3230
02:38:42,640 --> 02:38:39,771
backseat to a swim meet in Phoenix and

3231
02:38:45,900 --> 02:38:42,650
one of the biggest highways here is i-10

3232
02:38:48,700 --> 02:38:45,910
and coming up from Tucson to Phoenix and

3233
02:38:50,440 --> 02:38:48,710
suddenly he noticed in the passenger

3234
02:38:52,751 --> 02:38:50,450
seat these lights coming towards them

3235
02:38:55,450 --> 02:38:52,761
and then suddenly it was right above

3236
02:38:58,059 --> 02:38:55,460
them and as he looked I mean he really

3237
02:39:00,130 --> 02:38:58,069
got a great look at it for a while

3238
02:39:02,859 --> 02:39:00,140
what he saw was that the wings of the

3239
02:39:06,639 --> 02:39:02,869
Singh extended on both sides of the

3240
02:39:09,309 --> 02:39:06,649
highway into the it just land on each

3241
02:39:12,630 --> 02:39:09,319
side and he was just mesmerized by these

3242
02:39:16,840 --> 02:39:12,640
lights and his wife actually was told

3243
02:39:18,670 --> 02:39:16,850
telepathically not to worry and he on

3244
02:39:20,139 --> 02:39:18,680
the other hand was very excited just

3245
02:39:23,559 --> 02:39:20,149
really taking it all in

3246
02:39:25,960 --> 02:39:23,569
nobody said a word to each other after

3247
02:39:28,510 --> 02:39:25,970
this same thing happen to Kurt Russell

3248
02:39:31,239 --> 02:39:28,520
by the way for years but and there were

3249
02:39:34,149 --> 02:39:31,249
other people too it just is uncanny that

3250
02:39:36,189 --> 02:39:34,159
that would happen but it did to to a

3251
02:39:39,010 --> 02:39:36,199
number of people including his doctor

3252
02:39:41,109 --> 02:39:39,020
Brad Evans and it wasn't until months

3253
02:39:43,239 --> 02:39:41,119
later similar to what happened to Kurt

3254
02:39:45,849 --> 02:39:43,249
Russell a couple years later he saw

3255
02:39:48,340 --> 02:39:45,859
something on TV it was related to the

3256
02:39:50,319 --> 02:39:48,350
Phoenix lights was like whoa we saw that

3257
02:39:52,899 --> 02:39:50,329
you know they like a Richard Dreyfuss

3258
02:39:55,389 --> 02:39:52,909
moment as car Russell would say where it

3259
02:39:57,969 --> 02:39:55,399
was just so familiar to him and suddenly

3260
02:40:00,250 --> 02:39:57,979
they started talking about it and

3261
02:40:02,579 --> 02:40:00,260
realizing that yes they really did see

3262
02:40:06,489 --> 02:40:02,589
something quite unusual he wrote a

3263
02:40:10,059 --> 02:40:06,499
beautiful almost like an essay about it

3264
02:40:13,269 --> 02:40:10,069
that he shared with MUFON and the little

3265
02:40:16,380 --> 02:40:13,279
I've shared it with me and I ended up

3266
02:40:19,119 --> 02:40:16,390
putting most of it in the book so his

3267
02:40:21,489 --> 02:40:19,129
beautiful description a very detailed

3268
02:40:24,639 --> 02:40:21,499
description now is actually also an

3269
02:40:26,679 --> 02:40:24,649
illustration of what he saw he in his

3270
02:40:30,909 --> 02:40:26,689
own words it seemed like a diamond

3271
02:40:34,090 --> 02:40:30,919
within a diamond of these lights and and

3272
02:40:36,250 --> 02:40:34,100
then just last year he decided that you

3273
02:40:38,529 --> 02:40:36,260
know it's enough he was coming forward

3274
02:40:44,099 --> 02:40:38,539
publicly and for the first time last

3275
02:40:48,279 --> 02:40:44,109
year I we invited him to the documentary

3276
02:40:50,319 --> 02:40:48,289
presentation and QA and he was gracious

3277
02:40:53,649 --> 02:40:50,329
enough to do that and also this year and

3278
02:40:56,500 --> 02:40:53,659
he just moved to Hawaii he won't be

3279
02:40:59,050 --> 02:40:56,510
around in Phoenix but you know the fact

3280
02:41:02,050 --> 02:40:59,060
that a psychiatrist would come forward

3281
02:41:04,719 --> 02:41:02,060
and and really address not only the data

3282
02:41:07,149 --> 02:41:04,729
the hard data but also the fact how it

3283
02:41:08,679 --> 02:41:07,159
affected people because that's you know

3284
02:41:10,510 --> 02:41:08,689
very very important that people

3285
02:41:11,530 --> 02:41:10,520
understand and I can't speak for other

3286
02:41:13,929 --> 02:41:11,540
things but I

3287
02:41:16,830 --> 02:41:13,939
and about the Phoenix lights anomalous

3288
02:41:21,010 --> 02:41:16,840
aerial phenomena there has not been one

3289
02:41:24,580 --> 02:41:21,020
not one report credible report of harm

3290
02:41:26,590 --> 02:41:24,590
threat or abduction associated with the

3291
02:41:29,320 --> 02:41:26,600
mass sighting with the Phoenix lights or

3292
02:41:30,490 --> 02:41:29,330
any-any around the world the same

3293
02:41:32,860 --> 02:41:30,500
phenomena are happening in other

3294
02:41:35,440 --> 02:41:32,870
countries are much more open to these

3295
02:41:39,160 --> 02:41:35,450
phenomena as being otherworldly as our

3296
02:41:41,650 --> 02:41:39,170
own governor would say after 10 years he

3297
02:41:43,750 --> 02:41:41,660
would finally come forward bravely and

3298
02:41:44,800 --> 02:41:43,760
say that it definitely has a warded

3299
02:41:46,900 --> 02:41:44,810
military pilot

3300
02:41:49,210 --> 02:41:46,910
it definitely wasn't flares he saw one

3301
02:41:52,240 --> 02:41:49,220
of the craft one of the moai crafts but

3302
02:41:54,639 --> 02:41:52,250
that it was otherworldly and what people

3303
02:41:57,969 --> 02:41:54,649
will say consistently is that they were

3304
02:42:00,250 --> 02:41:57,979
in awe they were in wonder they felt

3305
02:42:02,980 --> 02:42:00,260
blessed did they saw this many people

3306
02:42:05,200 --> 02:42:02,990
pulled their car over to the side of the

3307
02:42:08,440 --> 02:42:05,210
road to watch it they were just curious

3308
02:42:10,389 --> 02:42:08,450
nobody was scared nobody was harmed and

3309
02:42:12,969 --> 02:42:10,399
that's really significant when you

3310
02:42:15,490 --> 02:42:12,979
really look at the data again it speaks

3311
02:42:17,050 --> 02:42:15,500
for itself have you ever gotten quite

3312
02:42:21,150 --> 02:42:17,060
Symington to come out to one of these

3313
02:42:28,120 --> 02:42:25,300
very difficult to to get get out there

3314
02:42:31,059 --> 02:42:28,130
he did his little thing and once in a

3315
02:42:33,309 --> 02:42:31,069
while he'll talk about it but he really

3316
02:42:34,630 --> 02:42:33,319
wants to stay private with it and you

3317
02:42:38,200 --> 02:42:34,640
know I'm just so glad I mean it was a

3318
02:42:41,620 --> 02:42:38,210
giant step forward Franken and chance

3319
02:42:45,490 --> 02:42:41,630
for an elected official to admit after

3320
02:42:48,219 --> 02:42:45,500
he had mocked it certainly in 97 which

3321
02:42:50,500 --> 02:42:48,229
was not funny to the witnesses I must

3322
02:42:53,019 --> 02:42:50,510
say especially parents that were with

3323
02:42:54,700 --> 02:42:53,029
children were very offended because here

3324
02:42:57,760 --> 02:42:54,710
they were watching something that was

3325
02:43:00,700 --> 02:42:57,770
two or three moles white and he's making

3326
02:43:02,920 --> 02:43:00,710
a joke out of it but eventually after 10

3327
02:43:05,050 --> 02:43:02,930
years it took him 10 years to come

3328
02:43:07,210 --> 02:43:05,060
forward but he finally did and we're

3329
02:43:09,309 --> 02:43:07,220
very glad that he did yeah that was in

3330
02:43:10,660 --> 02:43:09,319
the National Press Club if I remember

3331
02:43:13,660 --> 02:43:10,670
about right there one of Minsky

3332
02:43:15,700 --> 02:43:13,670
Bassett's events right were you guys did

3333
02:43:17,500 --> 02:43:15,710
you know that way did you know that was

3334
02:43:19,030 --> 02:43:17,510
coming was that that a bit of a shock to

3335
02:43:21,670 --> 02:43:19,040
you when that happened yeah absolutely

3336
02:43:23,500 --> 02:43:21,680
yeah had no idea

3337
02:43:27,250 --> 02:43:23,510
that he had seen it although there were

3338
02:43:29,769 --> 02:43:27,260
some rumblings at village lodge that was

3339
02:43:32,859 --> 02:43:29,779
the Clearing House was like a big huge a

3340
02:43:34,540 --> 02:43:32,869
computer lab Jim della Toso and Michael

3341
02:43:36,490 --> 02:43:34,550
Tanner were the chief investigators for

3342
02:43:39,040 --> 02:43:36,500
the Phoenix lights there and there in

3343
02:43:41,349 --> 02:43:39,050
the documentary and do a wonderful job

3344
02:43:44,800 --> 02:43:41,359
but they also did an incredible job of

3345
02:43:46,809 --> 02:43:44,810
not only documenting the data but being

3346
02:43:48,790 --> 02:43:46,819
there for the witnesses I mean that that

3347
02:43:50,349 --> 02:43:48,800
is so important to just be there for the

3348
02:43:53,319 --> 02:43:50,359
witnesses and that's why we do this

3349
02:43:54,880 --> 02:43:53,329
program I host this program and organize

3350
02:43:57,280 --> 02:43:54,890
it and I just thought it was really

3351
02:43:59,200 --> 02:43:57,290
important not only to keep the Phoenix

3352
02:44:01,420 --> 02:43:59,210
lights data alive and the Phoenix lights

3353
02:44:04,120 --> 02:44:01,430
event alive because it's so special I

3354
02:44:06,729 --> 02:44:04,130
mean it's I mean we're talking if I if

3355
02:44:10,420 --> 02:44:06,739
if the thousands of people had not come

3356
02:44:13,000 --> 02:44:10,430
forward and shared what they had seen

3357
02:44:15,010 --> 02:44:13,010
and called the news and called Luke Air

3358
02:44:16,979 --> 02:44:15,020
Force Base and called a national UFO

3359
02:44:21,700 --> 02:44:16,989
Reporting Center and it's all documented

3360
02:44:23,979 --> 02:44:21,710
that and I have this data that I have I

3361
02:44:25,540 --> 02:44:23,989
could not have come forward I mean I you

3362
02:44:28,059 --> 02:44:25,550
know would have been one person talking

3363
02:44:30,370 --> 02:44:28,069
about the data but the point is that so

3364
02:44:32,500 --> 02:44:30,380
many other people so many thousands of

3365
02:44:35,080 --> 02:44:32,510
people so what I had been documenting

3366
02:44:37,059 --> 02:44:35,090
for two years that you know ultimately

3367
02:44:39,519 --> 02:44:37,069
it was like whoa I mean this is just too

3368
02:44:41,500 --> 02:44:39,529
important not to share and I really

3369
02:44:44,649 --> 02:44:41,510
thought about just sticking the data in

3370
02:44:46,450 --> 02:44:44,659
a drawer when I came forward in 2004 and

3371
02:44:48,550 --> 02:44:46,460
there's many people that have helped in

3372
02:44:51,969 --> 02:44:48,560
that behalf to get the information out

3373
02:44:54,490 --> 02:44:51,979
there and to really share including the

3374
02:44:57,670 --> 02:44:54,500
gut former governor but when I came

3375
02:44:59,769 --> 02:44:57,680
forward in 2004 the official and

3376
02:45:01,990 --> 02:44:59,779
accepted except for the witnesses of

3377
02:45:04,359 --> 02:45:02,000
course explanation for the Phoenix

3378
02:45:06,219 --> 02:45:04,369
lights was that it was merely military

3379
02:45:06,849 --> 02:45:06,229
illumination players that was it case

3380
02:45:11,109 --> 02:45:06,859
closed

3381
02:45:14,559 --> 02:45:11,119
and you can only imagine how frustrating

3382
02:45:16,569 --> 02:45:14,569
it was for us who had seen something

3383
02:45:19,780 --> 02:45:16,579
especially up close and personal and

3384
02:45:22,000 --> 02:45:19,790
knew that the Phoenix lights definitely

3385
02:45:24,069 --> 02:45:22,010
were not flares and the story needed to

3386
02:45:26,830 --> 02:45:24,079
be told and ultimately when I came

3387
02:45:28,750 --> 02:45:26,840
forward it was amazing I couldn't

3388
02:45:30,910 --> 02:45:28,760
believe it I had gone back to work at

3389
02:45:32,800 --> 02:45:30,920
the Arizona Heart Institute is the chief

3390
02:45:34,530 --> 02:45:32,810
clinical consultant of the wool nests

3391
02:45:38,250 --> 02:45:34,540
and imaging center there

3392
02:45:40,320 --> 02:45:38,260
the hard tests in the body skin and I

3393
02:45:41,820 --> 02:45:40,330
couldn't believe it well you know

3394
02:45:45,330 --> 02:45:41,830
whenever I had a break I would take that

3395
02:45:47,400 --> 02:45:45,340
750 page journal and just pare it down

3396
02:45:50,160 --> 02:45:47,410
to the most credible data and it ended

3397
02:45:53,370 --> 02:45:50,170
up to be 250 pages it's now in its third

3398
02:45:56,660 --> 02:45:53,380
friend which is 350 pages because the

3399
02:46:00,030 --> 02:45:56,670
story just keeps evolving and the the

3400
02:46:02,400 --> 02:46:00,040
the original book every word in there

3401
02:46:05,190 --> 02:46:02,410
cuz I mean I squeeze it down for 750

3402
02:46:07,050 --> 02:46:05,200
pages is is valuable every word that's

3403
02:46:10,230 --> 02:46:07,060
in there is there for a reason so I just

3404
02:46:13,320 --> 02:46:10,240
continue to add chapters that are very

3405
02:46:16,170 --> 02:46:13,330
intriguing as the story has unfolded but

3406
02:46:18,990 --> 02:46:16,180
anyway once I did come forward in 2004 I

3407
02:46:22,139 --> 02:46:19,000
could not believe the doctors and the

3408
02:46:24,360 --> 02:46:22,149
nurses that pulled me aside to tell me

3409
02:46:26,160 --> 02:46:24,370
their stories I had no idea I was really

3410
02:46:28,260 --> 02:46:26,170
nervous so I did not want to come

3411
02:46:30,570 --> 02:46:28,270
forward but you know as I said it's a

3412
02:46:32,910 --> 02:46:30,580
scientists position experienced here and

3413
02:46:34,889 --> 02:46:32,920
certainly as an educator I just couldn't

3414
02:46:37,320 --> 02:46:34,899
stick the data in a drawer and it was

3415
02:46:40,769 --> 02:46:37,330
amazing to me how many credible people

3416
02:46:44,010 --> 02:46:40,779
how many learning people had had

3417
02:46:46,380 --> 02:46:44,020
experiences that you know blew me away

3418
02:46:48,000 --> 02:46:46,390
and they really appreciated once they

3419
02:46:49,769 --> 02:46:48,010
looked at the book and I know when

3420
02:46:51,450 --> 02:46:49,779
somebody says oh it was flair or they're

3421
02:46:54,210 --> 02:46:51,460
always gonna bet they haven't read the

3422
02:46:55,769 --> 02:46:54,220
book and it's just as clear as day and I

3423
02:46:57,000 --> 02:46:55,779
have to giggle because you know

3424
02:46:58,889 --> 02:46:57,010
everybody comes from a different

3425
02:47:01,950 --> 02:46:58,899
background from a belief different

3426
02:47:03,630 --> 02:47:01,960
belief system different worldview and

3427
02:47:05,730 --> 02:47:03,640
some people can't deal with this topic

3428
02:47:06,590 --> 02:47:05,740
some people don't want to and that's

3429
02:47:09,030 --> 02:47:06,600
okay

3430
02:47:11,370 --> 02:47:09,040
everyone in their own time if people

3431
02:47:14,550 --> 02:47:11,380
have to feed into the flare theory to

3432
02:47:17,130 --> 02:47:14,560
give them comfort that's okay but there

3433
02:47:20,099 --> 02:47:17,140
is data now there is true compelling

3434
02:47:22,139 --> 02:47:20,109
credible data they can look at either on

3435
02:47:26,969 --> 02:47:22,149
the website it's packed with information

3436
02:47:30,480 --> 02:47:26,979
to consider and to and to really explore

3437
02:47:32,580 --> 02:47:30,490
as well as the book the Phoenix lights a

3438
02:47:35,250 --> 02:47:32,590
skeptics discovery that we are not alone

3439
02:47:37,910 --> 02:47:35,260
which is now in its third print and I

3440
02:47:40,860 --> 02:47:37,920
just added a picture that the original

3441
02:47:43,260 --> 02:47:40,870
publisher Hampton Roads thought it would

3442
02:47:44,910 --> 02:47:43,270
confuse the public but it actually and I

3443
02:47:47,790 --> 02:47:44,920
won't spoil it for anybody that wants to

3444
02:47:48,360 --> 02:47:47,800
read it it actually prompted me to

3445
02:47:51,150 --> 02:47:48,370
comfortable

3446
02:47:53,550 --> 02:47:51,160
it really confirmed for me that this is

3447
02:47:54,870 --> 02:47:53,560
real and so much more and you have to

3448
02:47:56,610 --> 02:47:54,880
read the book to understand because

3449
02:47:58,650 --> 02:47:56,620
there's a connection between all

3450
02:48:01,139 --> 02:47:58,660
unexplained phenomena that's very

3451
02:48:02,610 --> 02:48:01,149
intriguing that I also discovered what I

3452
02:48:05,670 --> 02:48:02,620
have time to talk about it tonight but

3453
02:48:07,679 --> 02:48:05,680
it really is fascinating when you talk

3454
02:48:09,560 --> 02:48:07,689
to the witnesses and there were a number

3455
02:48:12,300 --> 02:48:09,570
of witnesses who had had near-death

3456
02:48:15,060 --> 02:48:12,310
experiences as children that was

3457
02:48:18,599 --> 02:48:15,070
reawakened by the mass sighting on March

3458
02:48:21,540 --> 02:48:18,609
13th 97 and I found that extremely

3459
02:48:23,910 --> 02:48:21,550
poignant because I did too

3460
02:48:25,440 --> 02:48:23,920
when I was 8 years old and I won't get

3461
02:48:29,099 --> 02:48:25,450
into it now but I lay it all out there

3462
02:48:31,349 --> 02:48:29,109
in the book and what really struck me is

3463
02:48:34,139 --> 02:48:31,359
it you know I thought could there be a

3464
02:48:35,730 --> 02:48:34,149
connection between all unexplained

3465
02:48:36,540 --> 02:48:35,740
phenomena whether it's near-death

3466
02:48:41,429 --> 02:48:36,550
experience

3467
02:48:44,310 --> 02:48:41,439
aerial phenomena that have a mystical

3468
02:48:45,929 --> 02:48:44,320
light associated with the experience and

3469
02:48:48,660 --> 02:48:45,939
lo and behold when I started looking

3470
02:48:51,179 --> 02:48:48,670
again I started finding such credible

3471
02:48:53,179 --> 02:48:51,189
data at university level they Omega

3472
02:48:57,270 --> 02:48:53,189
project which is like a four-inch book

3473
02:48:59,790 --> 02:48:57,280
by dr. Kenneth ring a dr. John Mack from

3474
02:49:02,429 --> 02:48:59,800
at Harvard was studying the connection

3475
02:49:05,099 --> 02:49:02,439
between all unexplained phenomena and I

3476
02:49:07,380 --> 02:49:05,109
started calling them all and up because

3477
02:49:09,540 --> 02:49:07,390
an you P an unexplained phenomena

3478
02:49:12,719 --> 02:49:09,550
because not only is the experience very

3479
02:49:14,580 --> 02:49:12,729
similar and I lay it out very simply in

3480
02:49:16,590 --> 02:49:14,590
the book which is really mind-boggling

3481
02:49:18,300 --> 02:49:16,600
when you look at you know the different

3482
02:49:21,120 --> 02:49:18,310
experiences but they're very similar

3483
02:49:24,510 --> 02:49:21,130
when they happen but the after effect is

3484
02:49:26,520 --> 02:49:24,520
so powerful is so positive the

3485
02:49:28,860 --> 02:49:26,530
enlightenment awakening that happens

3486
02:49:30,840 --> 02:49:28,870
within an individual who has an up

3487
02:49:33,480 --> 02:49:30,850
experience such as the Phoenix lights

3488
02:49:36,599 --> 02:49:33,490
mass sighting that doesn't happen with

3489
02:49:39,210 --> 02:49:36,609
blimps or balloons or Chinese lanterns

3490
02:49:42,240 --> 02:49:39,220
or conventional aircraft but a

3491
02:49:44,700 --> 02:49:42,250
connectedness to the universe and to the

3492
02:49:47,250 --> 02:49:44,710
earth and to each other and not a belief

3493
02:49:49,620 --> 02:49:47,260
it's not a belief anymore it's a knowing

3494
02:49:52,110 --> 02:49:49,630
so I hope people will look at the book

3495
02:49:54,030 --> 02:49:52,120
and and enjoy it in fact the Kindle

3496
02:49:59,190 --> 02:49:54,040
version in the e-book that can be played

3497
02:50:02,220 --> 02:49:59,200
on any digital device is only $9.99 and

3498
02:50:04,790 --> 02:50:02,230
it has colored pictures live links

3499
02:50:07,950 --> 02:50:04,800
and all the updates I just updated it

3500
02:50:11,520 --> 02:50:07,960
actually a few weeks ago with some even

3501
02:50:14,430 --> 02:50:11,530
more compelling information and now we

3502
02:50:15,960 --> 02:50:14,440
also have a graphic novel I've been

3503
02:50:18,631 --> 02:50:15,970
working on a curriculum for seven years

3504
02:50:19,921 --> 02:50:18,641
that's my passion my my AIDS and teen

3505
02:50:22,410 --> 02:50:19,931
pregnancy and substance abuse prevention

3506
02:50:24,870 --> 02:50:22,420
education programs distributed by

3507
02:50:29,761 --> 02:50:24,880
Discovery Education for a couple decades

3508
02:50:32,280 --> 02:50:29,771
now is just prompted me to get something

3509
02:50:33,390 --> 02:50:32,290
in the schools feed the kids thirst for

3510
02:50:35,640 --> 02:50:33,400
this knowledge and there is nothing

3511
02:50:37,530 --> 02:50:35,650
there is nothing about this topic in

3512
02:50:40,560 --> 02:50:37,540
schools so I've been trying very

3513
02:50:42,360 --> 02:50:40,570
diligently it's not an easy task but I

3514
02:50:44,940 --> 02:50:42,370
thought for the 20th anniversary I

3515
02:50:48,360 --> 02:50:44,950
wanted to get something in everybody's

3516
02:50:52,080 --> 02:50:48,370
hand that would be really packed with

3517
02:50:54,120 --> 02:50:52,090
information and fun and work with a

3518
02:50:56,400 --> 02:50:54,130
Disney illustrator and teachers we have

3519
02:50:58,950 --> 02:50:56,410
pilot programs and the kids gave me

3520
02:51:02,790 --> 02:50:58,960
feedback for everything and we have a

3521
02:51:07,230 --> 02:51:02,800
map maker who actually came here from

3522
02:51:11,190 --> 02:51:07,240
Denver and to scale for the different

3523
02:51:14,100 --> 02:51:11,200
crafts went to the locations and drew

3524
02:51:16,740 --> 02:51:14,110
the different crafts and also we have

3525
02:51:18,690 --> 02:51:16,750
them and so that people can color them

3526
02:51:21,540 --> 02:51:18,700
in as well we have a graphic novel

3527
02:51:27,330 --> 02:51:21,550
throughout the story The Adventures of

3528
02:51:29,341 --> 02:51:27,340
Sue fo field observer and Hugh H ugh qfo

3529
02:51:31,110 --> 02:51:29,351
and he's a little alien and they take

3530
02:51:33,120 --> 02:51:31,120
you through the story of the history of

3531
02:51:35,250 --> 02:51:33,130
these phenomena we have iconic pictures

3532
02:51:37,980 --> 02:51:35,260
we also go to the Science Museum and

3533
02:51:40,680 --> 02:51:37,990
talk about the science of these

3534
02:51:42,631 --> 02:51:40,690
phenomena as well as a tea crop circles

3535
02:51:43,980 --> 02:51:42,641
it's mind boggling when you when you

3536
02:51:46,051 --> 02:51:43,990
really look at some of these crop

3537
02:51:48,841 --> 02:51:46,061
circles and I tried to pick the most

3538
02:51:50,671 --> 02:51:48,851
unique and ornate crop circles it

3539
02:51:54,810 --> 02:51:50,681
couldn't possibly have been made by

3540
02:51:57,150 --> 02:51:54,820
human humans and we have those two color

3541
02:52:00,180 --> 02:51:57,160
as well as activities we're talking

3542
02:52:02,400 --> 02:52:00,190
about across our puzzles and word

3543
02:52:05,011 --> 02:52:02,410
finders and all kinds of fun stuff and

3544
02:52:08,100 --> 02:52:05,021
the answers as well and I'm so excited

3545
02:52:12,450 --> 02:52:08,110
because as we mentioned earlier I'm

3546
02:52:15,961 --> 02:52:12,460
going to be actually hosting a youth

3547
02:52:19,430 --> 02:52:15,971
program a family youth program on Sunday

3548
02:52:22,140 --> 02:52:19,440
28th from MUFON mutual UFO network

3549
02:52:24,901 --> 02:52:22,150
international symposium their 50th year

3550
02:52:26,310 --> 02:52:24,911
and this is really groundbreaking what

3551
02:52:29,761 --> 02:52:26,320
we're doing because there's never really

3552
02:52:31,651 --> 02:52:29,771
been anything like that before and we're

3553
02:52:33,270 --> 02:52:31,661
going to show the documentary and we

3554
02:52:36,560 --> 02:52:33,280
have lots of kids in the audience and we

3555
02:52:40,081 --> 02:52:36,570
share the documentary at our annual

3556
02:52:41,401 --> 02:52:40,091
anniversary showings and we have lots of

3557
02:52:43,951 --> 02:52:41,411
kids that are also doing and we're

3558
02:52:46,261 --> 02:52:43,961
talking eight years and up doing book

3559
02:52:49,291 --> 02:52:46,271
reports on the book but we're also going

3560
02:52:51,361 --> 02:52:49,301
to be talking and discussing after the

3561
02:52:52,321 --> 02:52:51,371
we show the documentary or an

3562
02:52:54,571 --> 02:52:52,331
internationally award-winning

3563
02:52:57,961 --> 02:52:54,581
documentary the Phoenix lights beyond

3564
02:53:00,511 --> 02:52:57,971
top secret and going through the

3565
02:53:03,081 --> 02:53:00,521
workbook as well and we're very excited

3566
02:53:05,911 --> 02:53:03,091
about that so check out the MUFON

3567
02:53:10,651 --> 02:53:05,921
website for more information about that

3568
02:53:13,350 --> 02:53:10,661
as we go on but also coming up I'm going

3569
02:53:15,480 --> 02:53:13,360
to be speaking and doing a workshop at

3570
02:53:18,871 --> 02:53:15,490
contact in the desert and that's gonna

3571
02:53:21,991 --> 02:53:18,881
be the last weekend in May which is also

3572
02:53:24,871 --> 02:53:22,001
going to be very interesting and fun

3573
02:53:27,511 --> 02:53:24,881
because in the lecture I'll be talking

3574
02:53:30,091 --> 02:53:27,521
about how the story unfolded through the

3575
02:53:33,091 --> 02:53:30,101
media and that is really intriguing in

3576
02:53:34,701 --> 02:53:33,101
itself and the workshop we're really

3577
02:53:38,401 --> 02:53:34,711
gonna get into the nitty-gritty of how

3578
02:53:41,461 --> 02:53:38,411
not only these phenomena affect people

3579
02:53:43,821 --> 02:53:41,471
at a very very deep soul level but also

3580
02:53:47,551 --> 02:53:43,831
how you can connect with these other

3581
02:53:50,791 --> 02:53:47,561
intelligences and that's gonna be really

3582
02:53:54,151 --> 02:53:50,801
really fun and then I'm also going to be

3583
02:53:58,281 --> 02:53:54,161
speaking at on a cruise in October

3584
02:54:02,220 --> 02:53:58,291
October 6 weekend if you check out the

3585
02:54:05,850 --> 02:54:02,230
Phoenix lights Network page on Facebook

3586
02:54:09,111 --> 02:54:05,860
and my own page Lynn Rubin kita is my

3587
02:54:11,551 --> 02:54:09,121
full name when I used the Dumon because

3588
02:54:14,401 --> 02:54:11,561
Chan and I were talking about this a

3589
02:54:16,531 --> 02:54:14,411
little earlier before my medical school

3590
02:54:18,241 --> 02:54:16,541
days I was in professional musical

3591
02:54:20,011 --> 02:54:18,251
theater and this isn't about me this is

3592
02:54:23,671 --> 02:54:20,021
about the data but this is a really cool

3593
02:54:25,321 --> 02:54:23,681
story and and you know if I could be a

3594
02:54:27,781 --> 02:54:25,331
credible voice if people actually look

3595
02:54:29,490 --> 02:54:27,791
at the data then I've done my job and

3596
02:54:32,990 --> 02:54:29,500
that's that's why I'm doing this

3597
02:54:35,160 --> 02:54:33,000
but it's Barry talk about a coincidence

3598
02:54:36,720 --> 02:54:35,170
before I went to medical school I was in

3599
02:54:39,420 --> 02:54:36,730
professional musical theater on Broadway

3600
02:54:41,670 --> 02:54:39,430
national touring companies I toured with

3601
02:54:43,770 --> 02:54:41,680
Gordon MacRae in Oklahoma and Betty

3602
02:54:45,840 --> 02:54:43,780
Grable and Guys and Dolls and understudy

3603
02:54:48,570 --> 02:54:45,850
Barbara Eden and sound of music and a

3604
02:54:51,060 --> 02:54:48,580
host of others but another thing that I

3605
02:54:54,450 --> 02:54:51,070
did it was really fun and I had no idea

3606
02:55:00,000 --> 02:54:54,460
that there was actually mentioned with

3607
02:55:01,680 --> 02:55:00,010
my movie you mind if I introduce the

3608
02:55:06,780 --> 02:55:01,690
story wanted to talk to us a little bit

3609
02:55:09,720 --> 02:55:06,790
about the story is absolutely

3610
02:55:12,120 --> 02:55:09,730
fascinating and dr. kute I actually cut

3611
02:55:17,460 --> 02:55:12,130
I did not get to bring this up during

3612
02:55:21,120 --> 02:55:17,470
the Phoenix lights movie on March 17th

3613
02:55:22,680 --> 02:55:21,130
and she shared this with me today and I

3614
02:55:24,450 --> 02:55:22,690
just wanted to let everybody know how

3615
02:55:26,670 --> 02:55:24,460
fascinating this story is and then she

3616
02:55:29,820 --> 02:55:26,680
can go ahead and talk about it and that

3617
02:55:33,750 --> 02:55:29,830
is she had the privilege of being

3618
02:55:35,850 --> 02:55:33,760
involved in a movie that everybody knows

3619
02:55:38,160 --> 02:55:35,860
about that are all familiar with it it's

3620
02:55:40,290 --> 02:55:38,170
one of my personal favorites it's a dark

3621
02:55:42,480 --> 02:55:40,300
comedy it's hilarious it's called

3622
02:55:44,700 --> 02:55:42,490
raising Arizona which the cast is

3623
02:55:47,280 --> 02:55:44,710
Nicolas Cage Holly Hunter John Goodman

3624
02:55:51,810 --> 02:55:47,290
William Forsythe Frances McDormand

3625
02:55:54,030 --> 02:55:51,820
Randall Cobb yourself astray Wilson who

3626
02:55:56,790 --> 02:55:54,040
plays the role of your husband father of

3627
02:55:59,400 --> 02:55:56,800
these kids and what's very interesting

3628
02:56:01,140 --> 02:55:59,410
about this movie and I know you'll go

3629
02:56:03,210 --> 02:56:01,150
ahead and give us far more detail I'll

3630
02:56:06,180 --> 02:56:03,220
just touch on it a little bit and that

3631
02:56:07,560 --> 02:56:06,190
is the father happens to be talking to a

3632
02:56:15,900 --> 02:56:07,570
reporter and then you can go ahead and

3633
02:56:19,470 --> 02:56:15,910
just take it from there okay chant which

3634
02:56:21,600 --> 02:56:19,480
was really amazing the movie came out at

3635
02:56:25,470 --> 02:56:21,610
oh and brother movie hit movie called

3636
02:56:29,550 --> 02:56:25,480
favorite whatever an 87 10 years before

3637
02:56:32,520 --> 02:56:29,560
the 97 Phoenix lights mass sighting why

3638
02:56:33,990 --> 02:56:32,530
is that a little bit of a coincidence

3639
02:56:35,610 --> 02:56:34,000
because someone came up to me when I

3640
02:56:38,220 --> 02:56:35,620
came forward after I came forward in

3641
02:56:40,200 --> 02:56:38,230
2004 several years that later actually

3642
02:56:42,240 --> 02:56:40,210
at one of the conference's and said you

3643
02:56:42,910 --> 02:56:42,250
know there is a reference to your

3644
02:56:48,160 --> 02:56:42,920
character

3645
02:56:51,219 --> 02:56:48,170
Florence Arizona and UFOs and I honestly

3646
02:56:53,469 --> 02:56:51,229
did not recall that and I look back

3647
02:56:58,090 --> 02:56:53,479
because I hadn't seen it since the late

3648
02:56:59,920 --> 02:56:58,100
80s and low and behold Nicolas Cage and

3649
02:57:03,190 --> 02:56:59,930
Holly Hunter for anybody that doesn't

3650
02:57:04,390 --> 02:57:03,200
know the movie can't cannot conceive and

3651
02:57:08,679 --> 02:57:04,400
as you mentioned Chan it's a black

3652
02:57:12,460 --> 02:57:08,689
comedy and they decide to kidnap one of

3653
02:57:16,679 --> 02:57:12,470
the Arizona quintuplets we had five kids

3654
02:57:19,660 --> 02:57:16,689
and make a very long story short after

3655
02:57:22,120 --> 02:57:19,670
one of the kids are is kidnapped by

3656
02:57:24,100 --> 02:57:22,130
halle owner and Nicolas Cage there is a

3657
02:57:26,770 --> 02:57:24,110
press conference in front of our home

3658
02:57:28,660 --> 02:57:26,780
and one of the reporters sticks at a

3659
02:57:31,750 --> 02:57:28,670
microphone and my husband's face and

3660
02:57:34,660 --> 02:57:31,760
says there's a rumor that your son was

3661
02:57:37,690 --> 02:57:34,670
abducted by UFOs is there any truth to

3662
02:57:40,300 --> 02:57:37,700
that and my husband says Oakley son

3663
02:57:43,120 --> 02:57:40,310
please don't print that if his mama

3664
02:57:45,070 --> 02:57:43,130
reads actual lose all hope which is very

3665
02:57:48,190 --> 02:57:45,080
different from my take on it but this is

3666
02:57:51,429 --> 02:57:48,200
ten years before the mass sighting where

3667
02:57:52,810 --> 02:57:51,439
ultimately I would become not only a key

3668
02:57:54,730 --> 02:57:52,820
witness with the only thirty

3669
02:57:57,150 --> 02:57:54,740
five-millimeter photographs that have

3670
02:58:00,969 --> 02:57:57,160
been analyzed by military and university

3671
02:58:03,070 --> 02:58:00,979
obstacle experts as true unknowns but as

3672
02:58:06,640 --> 02:58:03,080
the spokesperson and doing what I'm

3673
02:58:08,920 --> 02:58:06,650
doing but was was also interesting is

3674
02:58:09,900 --> 02:58:08,930
that the cinematographer for raising

3675
02:58:12,610 --> 02:58:09,910
Arizona

3676
02:58:14,710 --> 02:58:12,620
again this was ten years before the mass

3677
02:58:16,540 --> 02:58:14,720
sighting ended up and he was just

3678
02:58:19,300 --> 02:58:16,550
starting out - like many of the cast

3679
02:58:21,250 --> 02:58:19,310
members you mentioned it was one of

3680
02:58:23,410 --> 02:58:21,260
their first movies for Holly Hunter and

3681
02:58:25,510 --> 02:58:23,420
John Goodman and William Forsythe and

3682
02:58:29,469 --> 02:58:25,520
Frances McDormand she had only done one

3683
02:58:33,280 --> 02:58:29,479
movie before and here it becomes such a

3684
02:58:36,250 --> 02:58:33,290
you know a big hit and years later the

3685
02:58:39,250 --> 02:58:36,260
cinematographer went on to do big the

3686
02:58:41,650 --> 02:58:39,260
movie big and when Harry Met Sally and

3687
02:58:46,170 --> 02:58:41,660
the Adams family and a whole host of

3688
02:58:50,140 --> 02:58:46,180
other movies ends up that he also

3689
02:58:53,140 --> 02:58:50,150
created and directed and produced the

3690
02:58:56,890 --> 02:58:53,150
Men in Black Series which is amazing

3691
02:59:00,490 --> 02:58:56,900
because you know here we're talking

3692
02:59:05,850 --> 02:59:00,500
10 years later in 1997 is when the first

3693
02:59:08,230 --> 02:59:05,860
movie came out yes and that's absolutely

3694
02:59:11,230 --> 02:59:08,240
fascinating I also wanted to mention a

3695
02:59:15,610 --> 02:59:11,240
very important movie that you have on

3696
02:59:17,170 --> 02:59:15,620
your gap page and by the way can anybody

3697
02:59:20,591 --> 02:59:17,180
hear me I just want to double check I

3698
02:59:23,230 --> 02:59:20,601
can area ok good and that is the only

3699
02:59:25,920 --> 02:59:23,240
known forensic analysis done of the

3700
02:59:29,261 --> 02:59:25,930
Phoenix Phoenix lights in animation form

3701
02:59:31,990 --> 02:59:29,271
was done by Laurence sha'ban who

3702
02:59:37,150 --> 02:59:32,000
traveled all the way from Europe to be

3703
02:59:40,230 --> 02:59:37,160
at the Phoenix lights movie and if you

3704
02:59:42,670 --> 02:59:40,240
scroll down the gap page you'll see that

3705
02:59:45,430 --> 02:59:42,680
fascinating animation that was created

3706
02:59:48,341 --> 02:59:45,440
not only by Lauren shoving but Larry low

3707
02:59:52,960 --> 02:59:48,351
as well and they did a lot of hard work

3708
02:59:54,790 --> 02:59:52,970
on that animation I'm not yeah ok I

3709
02:59:56,320 --> 02:59:54,800
think dr. Lynn you need to bring her

3710
02:59:59,470 --> 02:59:56,330
back on again because she was just

3711
03:00:01,330 --> 02:59:59,480
dropped in the meanwhile also wanted to

3712
03:00:06,190 --> 03:00:01,340
talk a little bit about the fact that

3713
03:00:09,210 --> 03:00:06,200
she had 35-millimeter photos taken two

3714
03:00:12,100 --> 03:00:09,220
months and two years I think prior

3715
03:00:14,440 --> 03:00:12,110
regarding the Phoenix lights event I'll

3716
03:00:17,130 --> 03:00:14,450
go ahead and ask her to confirm that in

3717
03:00:19,750 --> 03:00:17,140
the same area and restricted airspace

3718
03:00:21,640 --> 03:00:19,760
come back ok great

3719
03:00:24,730 --> 03:00:21,650
hi doctor I just wanted to share with

3720
03:00:26,530 --> 03:00:24,740
you I don't know if you can hear me but

3721
03:00:28,420 --> 03:00:26,540
I wanted to share with you that I let

3722
03:00:31,511 --> 03:00:28,430
the listeners know about that forensic

3723
03:00:34,270 --> 03:00:31,521
analysis done the only one ever done of

3724
03:00:37,810 --> 03:00:34,280
the Phoenix lights animation done by

3725
03:00:39,610 --> 03:00:37,820
Lauren shoving and Larry Lo and that can

3726
03:00:44,269 --> 03:00:39,620
be found on your gap page of people to

3727
03:00:52,880 --> 03:00:51,090
okay and then also what did you hear me

3728
03:00:57,750 --> 03:00:52,890
finish the story with the feet with

3729
03:00:59,309 --> 03:00:57,760
Barry Sonnenfeld and me no berries

3730
03:01:01,889 --> 03:00:59,319
berries there the fellow you were

3731
03:01:04,830 --> 03:01:01,899
talking about the man's a bit of black

3732
03:01:07,830 --> 03:01:04,840
okay yeah we did we did we finish I lost

3733
03:01:12,450 --> 03:01:07,840
you there yeah you didn't name drop him

3734
03:01:14,880 --> 03:01:12,460
but yeah that's he's huge and it just so

3735
03:01:16,530 --> 03:01:14,890
happened that he created and and

3736
03:01:20,670 --> 03:01:16,540
directed the men in black series which

3737
03:01:22,830 --> 03:01:20,680
ironically opened the first one actually

3738
03:01:27,780 --> 03:01:22,840
premiered in 1997 the same year as a

3739
03:01:30,599 --> 03:01:27,790
Phoenix lights mass sighting yeah

3740
03:01:32,160 --> 03:01:30,609
lot of synchronicities you know doctor

3741
03:01:34,830 --> 03:01:32,170
we just really want to thank you for

3742
03:01:37,889 --> 03:01:34,840
having taken the time to come on the

3743
03:01:41,460 --> 03:01:37,899
show and share all of your incredible

3744
03:01:44,429 --> 03:01:41,470
data and experience regarding the

3745
03:01:49,969 --> 03:01:44,439
Phoenix lights and it's just been such a

3746
03:01:54,960 --> 03:01:52,469
well it's an honor to be here and thank

3747
03:01:57,170 --> 03:01:54,970
you for letting me share and for

3748
03:02:00,660 --> 03:01:57,180
attending our wonderful wonderful

3749
03:02:02,700 --> 03:02:00,670
amazing event this year and you know

3750
03:02:04,439 --> 03:02:02,710
it's just so important that we just keep

3751
03:02:06,030 --> 03:02:04,449
this information alive and out there and

3752
03:02:09,050 --> 03:02:06,040
more and more people worldwide or

3753
03:02:14,250 --> 03:02:09,060
finding out about the Phoenix

3754
03:02:16,950 --> 03:02:14,260
if the governor like Kurt Russell and

3755
03:02:20,269 --> 03:02:16,960
then of course we also showed that Alice

3756
03:02:24,090 --> 03:02:20,279
Cooper one of our own Arizona icons

3757
03:02:25,950 --> 03:02:24,100
music icons also came forward he had a

3758
03:02:28,620 --> 03:02:25,960
similar sighting to the Phoenix lights a

3759
03:02:31,200 --> 03:02:28,630
couple years later and the more and more

3760
03:02:33,809 --> 03:02:31,210
credible people to come forward more and

3761
03:02:36,809 --> 03:02:33,819
more other people will feel that it's

3762
03:02:38,760 --> 03:02:36,819
okay to talk about this topic to address

3763
03:02:40,349 --> 03:02:38,770
this topic and that's what we need we

3764
03:02:43,410 --> 03:02:40,359
have to get it out in the open address

3765
03:02:45,210 --> 03:02:43,420
it accepted and study it so we can find

3766
03:02:48,059 --> 03:02:45,220
out who's driving these things as well

3767
03:02:51,929 --> 03:02:48,069
as move forward in our own evolution and

3768
03:02:53,760 --> 03:02:51,939
I look forward to that day I want to let

3769
03:02:56,000 --> 03:02:53,770
all the listeners know to please go to

3770
03:03:01,500 --> 03:02:56,010
the Phoenix lights dot

3771
03:03:07,949 --> 03:03:01,510
website and doctor thank you again thank

3772
03:03:12,179 --> 03:03:07,959
you and keep looking up alright so that

3773
03:03:14,939 --> 03:03:12,189
is that that was fantastic Frank thank

3774
03:03:17,519 --> 03:03:14,949
you so much it's been such a wonderful

3775
03:03:20,189 --> 03:03:17,529
show yeah you did a great job on Sunday

3776
03:03:22,739 --> 03:03:20,199
and now that the whole show here tonight

3777
03:03:25,649 --> 03:03:22,749
went a little over a lot smoother than I

3778
03:03:27,630 --> 03:03:25,659
was anticipating yeah we managed a lot

3779
03:03:31,229 --> 03:03:27,640
of guests in and out and played a lot of

3780
03:03:34,050 --> 03:03:31,239
audio files and it went really well so

3781
03:03:37,170 --> 03:03:34,060
thanks for doing that on Sunday and we

3782
03:03:39,540 --> 03:03:37,180
got it we got the at least the folks

3783
03:03:41,189 --> 03:03:39,550
that weren't there we got a little give

3784
03:03:42,719 --> 03:03:41,199
him a little taste of what it was like

3785
03:03:44,670 --> 03:03:42,729
to be there directly I wish I could have

3786
03:03:46,830 --> 03:03:44,680
been there yeah it's only a couple

3787
03:03:49,489 --> 03:03:46,840
thousand miles away

3788
03:03:52,409 --> 03:03:49,499
well I just wanted to mention something

3789
03:03:54,389 --> 03:03:52,419
and that is I showed up there a little

3790
03:03:57,149 --> 03:03:54,399
bit early but I actually spent seven

3791
03:03:59,399 --> 03:03:57,159
hours there interviewing everybody to be

3792
03:04:00,809 --> 03:03:59,409
able to do this special report and I've

3793
03:04:04,109 --> 03:04:00,819
been working on this special report

3794
03:04:06,689 --> 03:04:04,119
since Sunday and so but you know the

3795
03:04:09,179 --> 03:04:06,699
amount of time I've spent on this report

3796
03:04:13,500 --> 03:04:09,189
has been very little compared to the

3797
03:04:17,370 --> 03:04:13,510
years that dr. Lynn T tie and others

3798
03:04:19,859 --> 03:04:17,380
close to her have spent in the thousands

3799
03:04:22,380 --> 03:04:19,869
of hours on this event and I encourage

3800
03:04:24,659 --> 03:04:22,390
anybody to go see her Phoenix lights

3801
03:04:26,819 --> 03:04:24,669
movie again when it's showing next year

3802
03:04:29,340 --> 03:04:26,829
yep yeah it sounds like it was a great

3803
03:04:31,080 --> 03:04:29,350
time and if you're in Phoenix when

3804
03:04:32,550 --> 03:04:31,090
they're running that then get on out

3805
03:04:34,229 --> 03:04:32,560
that's what I would say all right well

3806
03:04:37,710 --> 03:04:34,239
we're gonna wrap this up we topped our

3807
03:04:39,630 --> 03:04:37,720
record longest show by a good bit we

3808
03:04:43,529 --> 03:04:39,640
blew that record on record out of water

3809
03:04:44,159 --> 03:04:43,539
so wrap this up and have a good night